What is the best engine build up for under 10K?

[red_devil]

Got into a debate with a local "redneck" (sorry if im offending anyone) about what the best engine is for under $10,000.

Im talking about buying a used/new engine and rebuilding it to create the most power, torque, reliability, drivability all under 10K?

93 octane, nitrous allowed, any power adder.

They guy of coarse was concerned with Chevy 350 and nothing else in the world.

Here is my list
GM 350
GM 427 big block
GM ecotec
Ford 302
Ford 351
Ford 427
Supra 1JZ
Supra 2JZ
Nissan SR20
Nissan VG30DETT (300Z TT)
DSM 4G63 6 bolt
Mitsubishi 6G72 TT
Mopar SRT4
Mopar 426 hemi
Mazda 13B
BMW E36
Audi 2.7T

List goes on

I was thinking maybe the 2JZ motor myself.

What do you think?

 

[Thomas91169]

yeah either the 350 or ford 302/351 will be awesome builds, cheap, and last a long long time if done right.

 

[Sinner]

Why not the chevy 400, it uses all the same common small block Chevy parts but has tons more torque and fifty extra cubic inches to boot, most people overlook this engine since they are harder to find than the 350 which came in everything.

 

[RipperXX]

Heres what comes to mind for me.

GM, 302, 327, 350, 396, 400, 426, 502, 527 <--(last one would cost about 10k)
toyota 1JZ 2JZ 7M-GTE (MR2 turbo engine, forgot the code)
Mitsu 4G63, 4G64, 6G72
Nissan SR20, RB25, RB26 VG30DETT
Mazda 13b, (2, 3 or 4 rotor)


I dont look much farther than these manufactures.

ford 302 Chevrolet 302 JUST MY opinion. However it's extreamly rare so you would likely have to build one from a 327 or 350.

 

[dyno_detour]

Ford 302.

 

[gsxtacy]

451 cubic inch Mopar, or could even go over 500ci!!

440 Crank, 400 Block, Indy Cylinder Heads top end, F.A.S.T multiport efi setup,

Cubic Inches + twin Holset HX40's FTW.

Over 1000 (theoretical) Pump Gas Powahz.

How many engines do you know of with 5 head bolts sealing each cylinder?

 

[eldiabloz13]

2jz. Boosted. There are more supras making 800hp then more other american cars for under 10g

 

[eighty9tsi]

, I hope you are joking. If you think that for real then you are completely ignorant to what a V8 can do. Im a huge fan of the 2jz, but it is NOT more potent than anything 302 based or 350 based. Its simple math, and last I checked domestic parts cost 1/2 of what any 2jz/supra part costs.

www.turbomustangs.com

www.ls1tech.com

Educate yourself before you post ignorant statements like that.

 

[vintagemuscle]

The most bang for your buck would most definately be the small block chevy in any variety (289, 302, 327, 350, 383, etc.) They all use the same block.
But for $10k you may be able to build a 600ci big block.
I'm currently building a 302 chevy that should be good to rev to 9k-10k.

 

[MrPikolo]

Any of the popular domestic v8s will out perform any of the other options you listed for the money(302, 351, 350, 427, 454 the list goes on). Hard to compete with domestic muscle.

 

[X10NEO]

Is handling going to be one of the determining factors? If it is I would stay away from any big block. That is way to much weight up front of any car to be able to handle. A great motor I have in my 89 Mustang is the Ford Racing M-6007-XB3M with the M-6250-E303 camshaft. If you build a used motor that’s fine also, just put gt40 heads and the M-6250-E303 cam in it and you will be streetable… kinda. It has a nice lope to the cam and won’t make any horsepower till after 1500rpm and good horsepower after 2500. I have a gt40 lower intake manifold, 4” throttle body, cold air intake, Bassani tubular headers and cross pipe exhaust, a new computer, and some other small parts I cant remember. All of that just dino’d at 394hp on 87 octane and I have no NOS. you could do that build up of the 302 for a few thousand if you started with a used motor and could easily get a warrantied crate motor and all the accessories for less than 10 grand and it will be on the nice side of streetable. Any extra money could be spent on ignition, injectors, forced induction, or whatever you please. The ford 302, of 5.0 as it’s commonly called, makes for a great engine all around. It’s light and extremely easy to mod and all the parts are inexpensive. Here is a link to for the ford racing crate motor site and a pic or two of my engine bay.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/302smallblock.asp

Oh yeah I forgot to mention that a fox body mustang weighs less than a gsx.

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[Elvenhome21]

chevy ls7
ford cleavor (cleveland heads on a 351 winsor block)
chevy sb2.2
cadilac northstar

 

[housegsx]

cadilac northstar

How about the LT5 that it was modeled after? Other than trying to stay under $10k I suppose.

Mmmm... ls7. Toss a supercharger on there and you're gold. Right around $10k

 

[red_devil]

Had a friend with the same M-6007-XB3M motor as above in a 87 Mazda RX7 that weighed in at a nice 2700lbs. Which made it a very fast and fun car to drive.

Chevy and Ford are fairly close to each other. Chevy tend to make easy power and still get good gas milage, while Fords are well used on the strip and sound better (in my opinion).

 

[red_devil]

chevy ls7
ford cleavor (cleveland heads on a 351 winsor block)
chevy sb2.2
cadilac northstar

Not a big fan of the Northstar

Good engine and makes good power but are expensive and burn oil like you wont believe

 

[dsm dork]

Turbo lsX motor

All the import turbo motors don't make any power on pump gas, guess most of the people saying 2jz and 4g63 missed that part.

 

[ecarrillo]

Is handling going to be one of the determining factors? If it is I would stay away from any big block. That is way to much weight up front of any car to be able to handle. A great motor I have in my 89 Mustang is the Ford Racing M-6007-XB3M with the M-6250-E303 camshaft. If you build a used motor that’s fine also, just put gt40 heads and the M-6250-E303 cam in it and you will be streetable… kinda. It has a nice lope to the cam and won’t make any horsepower till after 1500rpm and good horsepower after 2500. I have a gt40 lower intake manifold, 4” throttle body, cold air intake, Bassani tubular headers and cross pipe exhaust, a new computer, and some other small parts I cant remember. All of that just dino’d at 394hp on 87 octane and I have no NOS. you could do that build up of the 302 for a few thousand if you started with a used motor and could easily get a warrantied crate motor and all the accessories for less than 10 grand and it will be on the nice side of streetable. Any extra money could be spent on ignition, injectors, forced induction, or whatever you please. The ford 302, of 5.0 as it’s commonly called, makes for a great engine all around. It’s light and extremely easy to mod and all the parts are inexpensive. Here is a link to for the ford racing crate motor site and a pic or two of my engine bay.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/302smallblock.asp

Oh yeah I forgot to mention that a fox body mustang weighs less than a gsx.

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awesome car man i have always loved mustangs and yeah i think one of the best engines to work with is the ford 302 but chevy also has a few of them that are pretty good and mainly most of there small blocks except the 305 and to be honest my opinion is biased because we have been working on my bros '87 GT and there are a lot of different ways to make power on it really cheap plus not only that but the top 4 cars at the local track happen to be mustangs

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

chevy ls7
ford cleavor (cleveland heads on a 351 winsor block)
chevy sb2.2
cadilac northstar

I am a diehard Cadillac fan, but the Northstar is not that good of a powerplant to mod... Lots of problems...

 

[madgrrl]

Im talking about buying a used/new engine and rebuilding it to create the most power, torque, reliability, drivability all under 10K?

93 octane, nitrous allowed, any power adder.

They guy of coarse was concerned with Chevy 350 and nothing else in the world.

Here is my list
GM 350
GM 427 big block
GM ecotec
Ford 302
Ford 351
Ford 427
Mopar 426 hemi


I was thinking maybe the 2JZ motor myself.

What do you think?

well just so you know the GM ecotec is the highest hp to engine volume GM has ever built. that said, it would be a great platform to build a Direct Injected 2 liter plus monster (with the RWD transmission set-up).

However, if you are just going for pure power, you will need a V8 with lots of engine volume. Something like a duel turbo'd V8 would put down serious hp #s. truth be told with engines these days: bigger is still better*

*not my actual opinion.

Of course sheer power is not why mitsus are so popular. thankyou japan

 

[Elvenhome21]

This one for sure
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/27/the-volvette-tt-ls1-powered-740-wagon

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/ls1/us_gto.htm

Plus that v6 catera engine seems to be quite trick.

 

[Wilsonman02]

Can the ford and chevy motors be turbo'd or supercharged and fully built for 10k. Cause i thought the 2jz motor would be a great option, but the motor alone is like 7k, then turbo kits are 4k, so its not to cheap to make them fast.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

You can build a turbo 350 for well under 10k. Done it a couple times with great results and longevity. Easy single digit motors on only 13 psi.

 

[Wilsonman02]

Wow, thats awesome and cheap. Doesnt Banks make twin turbo kits for several GM and Ford motors?

 

[eldiabloz13]

, I hope you are joking. If you think that for real then you are completely ignorant to what a V8 can do. Im a huge fan of the 2jz, but it is NOT more potent than anything 302 based or 350 based. Its simple math, and last I checked domestic parts cost 1/2 of what any 2jz/supra part costs.

www.turbomustangs.com

www.ls1tech.com

Educate yourself before you post ignorant statements like that.

Well your just looking to be a asshole arent you. The title dosent state what engine can be most "potent" for under 10k. It was what can be the best to build for under 10k. So before you start bashing read YOUR shit before you talk. Also to be using the word potent the way you have, you need to brush up on your vocab also. . Plus no shit parts are half the price. 305's and 350s are as abundent as air. A supra is worth more then a lot of built big blocks. My friend can sell his supra for 40k easily up here. While i cant sell my cobra for shit. Even if its faster or not. So parts are obviously going to be cheaper for the cars that are in less demand.

Dont get me wrong i love a 350 big block. Or even a 1976 stingray vette with a nice blower...mmm. But line up a supra with 10k into and a mustang with 10k into i just beleive the supra will win. Not in power MAYBE, but if you take it out of the power context; a 1/4 mile it should win.

I also think my love for imports screws with my decision.

edit: after seeing x10neo's post im probly going to start learning his way.

 

[red_devil]

Keep the hate down to the minimum

Keep in mind that drivability is an issue, and I know some big motors with big cams arent worth anything for downtown. Has nothing to do with the car itself just the motor (everyone knows that a 3rd gen RX7 with a 350 would destroy a Mustang or Camero on a road course).

Im leaning towards a blown 302-306 or twin turbo older 350 like LT1 or LS2. That LS7 is exprensive isn't it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-...ryZ33615QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Not that expensive but parts aren't cheap.