need help with engine starting

[paintballer999]

I just got done building my engine from the shop manual. everything is done to factory spec. the car is stock and it seems to not be firing. i checked on the forums on the firing sequence( the spark plugs and spark plug wires are lined up correctly i think. could someone post a link to a well written page that explains the order clearly) also i did all new wires, gaskets and so forth to the engine. Now for my issue, the starter is turning the engine over, the fuel pump does work, but it seems to be lacking a spark to ignite the fuel. could i have a bad ignition module. any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[fbc-eclipse]

firing order is 4123, and check your CAS it could be bad.

 

[paintballer999]

ok, i had the firing sequence right. how can i tell if the cas is bad?

 

[fbc-eclipse]

replace it with another CAS

 

[paintballer999]

is there a possibility that it could be the ignition module? i do not have a spare cas so is there anyting else to try before buying a new one?

 

[MichaelSuch]

Test both the power transistor and coil pack. Verify that both electrical plugs are fully seated into the coil pack and power transistor along with the CAS. Verify the wiring is cut or broke on any of the plugs. Could also be a bad ECU. Pull the ECU and check for bad/leaking capacitors, or if it smells like dead fish when you open it up it probably needs repaired. Are you sure there is no spark at all? I've verified this by pulling a plug and keeping it attached to a plug wire then turning it over a few times and grounding the plug on the valve cover. BE VERY CAREFUL AND ONLY CRANK IT A FEW TIMES. Have someone else verifying it for spark or have someone turn the key over so you can see if it sparks.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-electrical-wiring/229419-how-test-power-transistors.html

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is there a possibility that it could be the ignition module? i do not have a spare cas so is there anyting else to try before buying a new one?

Usually you can test the CAS by pulling it and spinning it by hand and you can hear the injectors click. Key needs to be on. But that is only telling you that you are getting fuel.

 

[fbc-eclipse]

i doubt it but there could be a possibility. the motor needs 3 major things to run.
1. spark
2. fuel
3. compression.
check to see if your getting spark, have someone crank the engine and take one spark plug wire and hold it by the valve cover while the engine is cranking. repeat that on all 4. you should know if your getting spark.

 

[paintballer999]

Test both the power transistor and coil pack. Verify that both electrical plugs are fully seated into the coil pack and power transistor along with the CAS. Verify the wiring is cut or broke on any of the plugs. Could also be a bad ECU. Pull the ECU and check for bad/leaking capacitors, or if it smells like dead fish when you open it up it probably needs repaired. Are you sure there is no spark at all? I've verified this by pulling a plug and keeping it attached to a plug wire then turning it over a few times and grounding the plug on the valve cover. BE VERY CAREFUL AND ONLY CRANK IT A FEW TIMES. Have someone else verifying it for spark or have someone turn the key over so you can see if it sparks.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-electrical-wiring/229419-how-test-power-transistors.html

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Usually you can test the CAS by pulling it and spinning it by hand and you can hear the injectors click. Key needs to be on. But that is only telling you that you are getting fuel.

how loud will the clicks be from the injectors when i spin the cas?

 

[sRtNeOn]

how loud will the clicks be from the injectors when i spin the cas?

It'll be a quite click, put a finger on the injector itself. I can feel the click better than I can hear it.

 

[paintballer999]

i just pulled the spark plug wires ou and there seems to be no spark, what part could be broken?

 

[sRtNeOn]

Ok so you pulled the plugs out? From the head correct? Then what are you doing to test for spark!? Somebody needs to turn the motor over while another person is checking for spark. It's a simple test. Did you do the test MICHAELSUCH posted!? Coil and CAS?

 

[paintballer999]

yes i pulled the wires from the engine. and i had someone else check to see if there was a spark. there seems to be no power to the coil pack, where would i look now for an issue? i did check the ecu, no fishy smells or anything look wrong. no acid anywhere on the board

anyone else have any insight as to what the problem may be?

ok, new update as for the problem. the coil pack gets power. i tested it and there is a current going to it. as for the cas, is there a 12v power source that is fed to the cas so that i can test and see if it is receiving power?