lsd insert vs. quaife

[GalantGst]

I have a fwd I was wondering what the pros and cons of lsd insert and a quife and how do they compare to each other.

Any one have any input?

 

[evolvingGS-t]

I went with the Phantom Grip LSD.
My other option was the Quaiffe, but I did some research and found out that because the Quaiffe was a gear type that you can still strip out the gears, where as the spring loaded LSD would be a little harder to break.

I have yet to experience any sevier wheel hop or one tire spinning out. It really holds true to it's purpose.

 

[johnfsmith]

I went with the Phantom Grip LSD.
My other option was the Quaiffe, but I did some research and found out that because the Quaiffe was a gear type that you can still strip out the gears, where as the spring loaded LSD would be a little harder to break.

I have yet to experience any sevier wheel hop or one tire spinning out. It really holds true to it's purpose.

The quaiffe is much better than an insert, It's just a matter of time before that phantom grip gives way... do a search you'll see....

 

[evolvingGS-t]

Like I said in my reply. I did my research i.e tranny shops, vendors, internet, personal experiences w/ both lsd.
That's how I came to the phantom grip.

 

[johnfsmith]

Like I said in my reply. I did my research i.e tranny shops, vendors, internet, personal experiences w/ both lsd.
That's how I came to the phantom grip.

If you did your research then you know that phantom grip and other inserts are only temporary fixes... which is why an insert cost 1/4 of the cost as others. get a quaife or kaaz for long term

 

[Omega]

Like I said in my reply. I did my research i.e tranny shops, vendors, internet, personal experiences w/ both lsd.
That's how I came to the phantom grip.

If you did research or had any personal experience with any of them, then you would know that you can't compare an insert to a replacement diff.



The inserts are a band aid. They work up to a point, but put abnormal loads on the carrier and will fail.

A true LSD (KAAZ, Quaife, and KarKing) are far superior.

If you want a nice unobtrusive LSD that works, buy a KarKing or Quaife. If you want one that has the occasional clunk but once it is locked will stay locked, buy a KAAZ.

 

[evolvingGS-t]

Look guys, I'm not doing 6k rpm drops daily, nor have I ever, which would make it pointless for me to get Quaiffe etc.. So, it seems to me what he plans on doing with the car, right?

 

[chefcg1]

I used the phantom grip for several years and yes it help greatly until I really moded the car. The Phantom grip and other insert type products work pretty well up to about 325hp and then they just cant hold the load. I just put in the kormex (karking LSD) a week ago and love it!!!!! My car is a daily driver and having a true LSD has been great in regular driving in slipery conditions where the insert really didn't help. If your making any real power no matter which you have you still get wheel hop!

On a side note when I removed my dif to replace it with the kormex unit the phantom grip insert the phantom grip was still fully intact and with no visable damage to the carrier bolt.

It all boils down to what you want to acheive with the car and how much money you want to spend. If you only plan on going to the 300hp range the phantom grip or other type of insert will probablywork fine and will save you a ton of cash. But if high horespower is your goal I recomend you spend the coin and get a true LSD. I do recomend the kormex unit at $675 shipped! Plus George at karking was great to deal with. If you still want to go with an insert PM me and I'll let you have mine and the diff for a steal!!!!

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Red95DSM]

I used the phantom grip for several years and yes it help greatly until I really moded the car. The Phantom grip and other insert type products work pretty well up to about 325hp and then they just cant hold the load. I just put in the kormex (karking LSD) a week ago and love it!!!!! My car is a daily driver and having a true LSD has been great in regular driving in slipery conditions where the insert really didn't help. If your making any real power no matter which you have you still get wheel hop!

On a side note when I removed my dif to replace it with the kormex unit the phantom grip insert the phantom grip was still fully intact and with no visable damage to the carrier bolt.

It all boils down to what you want to acheive with the car and how much money you want to spend. If you only plan on going to the 300hp range the phantom grip or other type of insert will probablywork fine and will save you a ton of cash. But if high horespower is your goal I recomend you spend the coin and get a true LSD. I do recomend the kormex unit at $675 shipped! Plus George at karking was great to deal with. If you still want to go with an insert PM me and I'll let you have mine and the diff for a steal!!!!

Just my 2 cents.

I thought the inserts all but eliminated wheel hop.

 

[Omega]

LSD's or inserts help, but they sure don't eliminate it.

 

[liquordrunk]

it eliminated my wheel hope but im guessin the 2.3liter and Fpred also helped but any type of lsd helps. but motor mounts will take care of that help..

 

[boostyGST]

installed SBR new LSD insert.....because before i build my new engine, I wanted to be able to have some fun around town and put the power i do have to the ground. i have had no probs with mine, so i dont know, point is def worth the time, and the money to have a little bit more fun.

 

[99gst_racer]

and found out that because the Quaiffe was a gear type that you can still strip out the gears, where as the spring loaded LSD would be a little harder to break.

What do you think is inside of your stock diff?? Levers, buttons, and chewing gum?? The stock diff is a gear style like the quaife. So now all you have is an OEM casing, with OEM strength gears, a block and a couple springs..... The quaife has a stronger casing and gears which in turn prolongs it's life. You are using a modified stock diff and that is what you should be worried about stripping the gears out of..... Trust me, I've done it.

but I did some research

Yeah, well obviously you stopped short of learning anything....


I've been running a Quaife for a year now, and I love it. One of my best upgrades hands down. The only downside to the Quaife is the price tag. I've never used the inserts because I live by the saying "mod cheap, mod twice". Thats why I went with the Quaife. The inserts seem to work for most people that use them. I would be more concerned about it's life duration. They are more known to be a working bandaide than to last long.....

If you want a nice unobtrusive LSD that works, buy a KarKing or Quaife. If you want one that has the occasional clunk but once it is locked will stay locked, buy a KAAZ.

Yup, I agree with that.