I sold my 2g n/t to get a turbo, now what?

[HotSauce GS N/T]

If you dont like to read alot I suggest you find another post!

Ya I did the unthinkable, i sold my 2g n/t to get a 1g turbo. This thread is for all the guys that sold me "sell it and get a turbo" well i did and I couldnt be happier. The car is a little rough on the outside but the engine is very good condition(130K +) and conpression is good. Now I sit here all day, going down the list of the turning guide and alot of questions are popping up. This is where im hoping the experienced croud of turbo owners can help me out.

My plans for right now.
1. Keep around 1700 aside for a new engine (jdm) hopefully
2. Get a new intake system
3. Get a new exhuat
4. Get a external boost gauge
5. Get a manual boost controller

My plans for later. (spring time)
1. Hope my engine gets me through winter
2. Put a new engine in
3. Transfer parts from old engine to new one (ie. exhuast, exhaust mani etc...)

Now the questions

1. What is the best intake to get for stock turbo setup with stock b.o.v.
2. Where can I find a ported 2g ex mani
3. Should i have the shop in towen mandreal bend and exhuast for me or get a turbo-back system
4. Whats good boost to set for the mods listed above

Things to keep in mind.....Complete tune-up with filters and everything imaginable either tonight or tomorrow night. I work at Advance Auto Parts (discount). I have e-bay and paypal. I have about $3000. I have digital camera to document the entire process.

Thank you in adanvce....i wanna see what this thing can do!!

the newest member of the turbo croud,
kyle korona aka hot sauce

 

[blcknspo0ln]

congrats bro

1st off if the car is stock get the free mods and crush your BOV. then get your boost gauge then MBC. set it to 16 psi and you'll be flying.

i'm a fan of DIY stuff but there's always incredible prices for 1g turbo backs [ i.e., <600 ] free up your exhaust system and get a dejon tool intake.

goodluck and have fun!

 

[kpt4321]

1. Keep around 1700 aside for a new engine (jdm) hopefully

Why do you need a new engine, to start?

Secondly, if you really do need a new engine (doubt it!), why would you want to spend 1700 on a JDM engine? This isn't a Honda, the engines that were available in Japan don't make any more power than USDM engines, or not enough to be worth the price.

For 1700 dollars, if you need a new engine, you can get something built that will perform way better than something some guy in Japan beat the snot out of. Or, since you probably don't need an engine anyway, you could save the money for mods.

1. What is the best intake to get for stock turbo setup with stock b.o.v.
2. Where can I find a ported 2g ex mani

Tuning guide & search.

3. Should i have the shop in towen mandreal bend and exhuast for me or get a turbo-back system

Whatever you want.

4. Whats good boost to set for the mods listed above

Stock injectors? 15 psi.

SEARCH.

 

[HotSauce GS N/T]

thanks alot guys..ya i searched around a little bit but still those basic questions arose. I have a digital camera so ill take some pics during the build-up. I went to the dejon-tool website but i couldnt figure out with intake to get with my stock setup.

keep it coming i appreciate the help alot!!

-kyle

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

1. crush the BOV and get a nice filter for the intake ( or the whole pipe I think the stock rubber one is fine but its up to you)
2. Get a Boost Guage
3. Make or buy a Manual Boost controller
4. Take care of the exhaust ( how ever you want to do it)
5. then come ask whats next but by hte time im sure you wont need to ask anymore questions good luck

 

[TimDSM]

If you dont like to read alot I suggest you find another post!

Ya I did the unthinkable, i sold my 2g n/t to get a 1g turbo. This thread is for all the guys that sold me "sell it and get a turbo" well i did and I couldnt be happier. The car is a little rough on the outside but the engine is very good condition(130K +) and conpression is good. Now I sit here all day, going down the list of the turning guide and alot of questions are popping up. This is where im hoping the experienced croud of turbo owners can help me out.

Congrats on the AWD. I'm in the same boat now that you were in in the past; I recently sold my n/t and am purusing an AWD turbo, though I seek a 2nd gen. I tell you one thing, it definitely is not easy to find a 2nd gen awd that has decent milage and did not have the hell beaten out of it!

 

[zross1]

If you call dejon tool and tell them what you have they'll hook you up with the proper intake that you need. If you look carefully at their website, it will tell you there as well. You can find a 2g exhaust manifold amoung all other parts you might need in the future at . Be careful when buying parts off people, sometimes you'll get screwed. Just play it smart. Sounds like your doing your research, just keep in mind when doing your upgrades the first things to do is get rid of the intake and exhaust restrictions. When you get the exhaust you choose also get rid of the stock downpipe. Looks like you have the intake figured out. You'll be safe running 15-16 psi on the old 14b. With a turbocharged motor you'll soon find that tuning is another crucial part of getting your car to run at it's full potential. Start doing research on this and get a safc and something to log with then start tuning (there are many other things to tune with I just mention these because they are usually what people start out with). If you can see what your engine is doing (by tuning and loging), it will last for a long time and you can stick to the engine you have now. And you can get the most out of your upgrades as well.

 

[PieTSI]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/

This should be a good start for you.

As for the JDM engine....I wouldn't...The 1g eclipse JDM engine puts out the same amount of power as the USDM one. If you want to put the 1700 into your engine put it towards building your motor.

 

[Defiant]

Ya I did the unthinkable, i sold my 2g n/t to get a 1g turbo.

Wait'll you drive it in some weather. You'll hate every other car forever.

 

[pianoman]

Congrats on your buy.
A tune up is defintly a good start. Also you will wanna switch out your transmission fluid for some BG SCHYNOSHIFT. You will also wanna swap out the transfer-case and rear end fluid for some RED LINE SHOCKPROOF fluid. After thats all done, then start to mod. here's what i would suggest:

k&n filter and intake pipe,
boost gauge,
free mods, don't worry about crushing your b.o.v.
turbo back exhaust, since your winters over there are like the ones over here get S.S. if you can, better in the long run.
fuel pump,
boost controller,
spark plugs, BPR7ES if you plan on boosting more then 16psi
plug wires, although the stockers work well i have found that a set of magnacores or taylors are just a tad better.
data logger, very handy monitering tool

after these mods are done, if you wanna go faster, which you most likely will, there are other things you can start doing which you can find in the tuning guide. good luck. and don't worry about swapping out for a jdm motor, their not any better.

oh yeah check and see if your transfer-case recall has been done.

 

[HotSauce GS N/T]

Thanks again, there are really no real dsm shops around here and I wont let just any hooligan touch my car, so dsmtuners.com is my only source for real answers.

Since im following the tuning guide this is what has been done up to right now...
1. Complete tune up except for spark plug wires
2. Both axels replaced ( one bad cv and the other I just wanted to get it out of the way)
3 Oil change
4 Coolant flush
5 Dumb a$$ shifter laying in the passenger seat!!! (I cant beleive they acually used that thing, I thought it was a mistake)
6 Ordered a Dejon-Tool 1gM DSM intake
7 Ordered a K&N filter through work

Now things I am still planning on doing/ need some help or comments

1 Order autometer Boost and EGT gauges (any other ones needed? )
2 Manual boost controller, There are so many choices, which one to get??? or doesnt it matter, I really dont want to get one from Home Depot Motorsports, but would that do the job?

Im going to post the next question in a new post because its important

 

[HotSauce GS N/T]

EXHUAST SYSTEM!

This is where my past experieces with non-turbo cars is thrown right out the window

Ive been searching around dsmtuners whenever i get a chance (which is like never because of school and work) but i found out i want a turbo-back exhuast

What i dont understand is what i exactly need

I have no idea what an O2 eliminator downpipe is.

I want the cheapest, but most effective way to make this exhuast work ( Ya I know that sounds bad but Im not afriad of spending money where it is needed, what i mean is i dont want to spend money on an APEXI N1 exhuast when a credited exhuast shop can mendrel bend me one at half the cost.

So like i said i want a turbo-back exhuast, with converter, and maybe an O2 eliminator down pipe. Whats the best route to accomplish this and what size to go with?

 

[pianoman]

right after the turbo and inbetween the downpipe is a hunk of casted metal that holds your o2 sensor. its called your 02 sensor housing. some people take the 02 housing and port it out so it flows better and helps with spool. also when you port the 02 it helps with boost creep. thats when you set the boost at a certian psi, but it creeps up to a higher amount. so instead of having an 02 sensor housing and a downpipe, its all one piece, which personally i don't like, since then every time you have to move the down pipe, you'll have to unbolt it from the turbo which can be a pain in the ass. if you can get a shop to mandral bend you one then you can save a lot of cash for other things.

 

[kgtalon95]

For your ehaust system I highly recommend RNR racing's turbo back system. The best bang for your buck, but you'll have to be patient. They take their time and if waiting 3 weeks is do-able then their your guys. As for size: If you aren't planning on going for serious power, like 400+whp, then I would get the 2.5inch downpipe and 3inch catback combo. I don't think it is on their website but if you ask he'll do it no problem. Another thing to look into is a testpipe. All it is is a piece of pipe that replaces your cat, if you don't have emissions I would advise removing that power robber asap. For your O2 housing; If you're going to do exhaust do it right, don't bother porting your 1g o2. Either buy and port a 2g o2, or buy the evo3 o2. You can port the evo3 and flow some serious exhaust.
The main thing to remeber when buying mods is that you want something you can grow into, not out of. It sucks having to sell your parts and pay for the next biggest thing, and you save yourself a hell of alot of downtime.

Oh, and don't buy the JDM engine, 130k on a 6bolt is like 45k on any other car
That 1700 needs to go to a fuel system,turbo, and fmic

Goodluck, Kyle

 

[HotSauce GS N/T]

For your ehaust system I highly recommend RNR racing's turbo back system. The best bang for your buck, but you'll have to be patient. They take their time and if waiting 3 weeks is do-able then their your guys. As for size: If you aren't planning on going for serious power, like 400+whp, then I would get the 2.5inch downpipe and 3inch catback combo. I don't think it is on their website but if you ask he'll do it no problem. Another thing to look into is a testpipe. All it is is a piece of pipe that replaces your cat, if you don't have emissions I would advise removing that power robber asap. For your O2 housing; If you're going to do exhaust do it right, don't bother porting your 1g o2. Either buy and port a 2g o2, or buy the evo3 o2. You can port the evo3 and flow some serious exhaust.
The main thing to remeber when buying mods is that you want something you can grow into, not out of. It sucks having to sell your parts and pay for the next biggest thing, and you save yourself a hell of alot of downtime.

Oh, and don't buy the JDM engine, 130k on a 6bolt is like 45k on any other car
That 1700 needs to go to a fuel system,turbo, and fmic

Goodluck, Kyle

thanks alot man, all this knowledge is coming quick and helping alot. I can always count on tuners to get the job done

my plans are for around 350 whp or mid 12's, i want something streetable and that can last me a lil while, i know once i start jumping to 400+ hp repairs come more often and more maintence is needed along with that much power will get a college student in trouble

but anyway i just want to clarify one thing...

rnr turbo back exhuast (3") with o2 eliminator down pipe (2.5") and test pipe

the only questions i have before i order this is
1 the o2 eliminator downpipe will eliminate the need for a ported o2 or evo o2??
2 do i want an external dump or internal dump (i also have no idea what this is)

as you all can tell im new to this turbo thing and im trying to do as much research as possible, but right now the advance auto exhuast patch isnt holding up so good


thanks alot

-kyle

 

[kgtalon95]

Hey, I think you're learning fast, both are very good questions.
If you do buy the o2 eliminator, it will eliminate the need for a 2g or evo o2 housing. What replaces those is a piece of exhaust pipe with a little bung that you put your o2 sensor back in. I have heard that these are alot nicer that an o2 housing but I have also heard that if you need to work on something under your car and need to unbolt your downpipe, that the bolts can be a royal pain in the but. So it is basically you're call, not alot of people post having large gains with an o2 elim. setup compared to a ported evo or 2g o2 housing so I kept the o2 setup and bought an evo housing.
Internal or external dump: Your turbo has two passages that exhaust will past through. The outlet, and the waste gate. An internal dump is a tube that runs from the waste gate passage back into the exhaust system, the same basic way a normal o2 housing works. An external dump is a tube that runs from the wastegate passge and doesn't recirc. back into the exhaust, meaning it vents to the atmosphere. So as for which is better is the million dollar question and a debated fact. I know external dumps diffenetly make a sound, kinda like a hard whistle. I too was looking into them but couldn't find a good enough sound bite to make a firm decision. I'm old school, the only sound from my exhaust is from my muffler I guess...
For both questions: either way you go the performance gain will not be noticeable enough to justify one over the other. Look at the costs, o2 elimn. compared to an evo3 housing.

Oh, and if anyone tells you that you cannot use an evo3 o2 housing because the angle is different from stock and won't bolt up to the downpipe with you're kit is wrong. RNR uses a slotted flange so it will fit. Not sure about other prefab kits but i know RNR's will fit. Just a tip if you decide to look around

Hope it helps, Kyle

 

[pianoman]

Don't forget that many people have ran very quick times with a ported 2g 02 and an internal wastgate. Since the gains aren't huge when using an external setup and using an 02 elimanator, the money that you could spend on it might be better spent somwhere else on other parts.

 

[kgtalon95]

I also agree with piano man, a ported 2g o2 is by far the cheapest and has similar gains to the unported evo and o2 elimn. at way less the price.

 

[HotSauce GS N/T]

ok so if i get a rnr o2 eliminator turbo-back exhuast and a ported 2g exhaust manifold what else will i need to finish up the job or is that it?

 

[pianoman]

that will be it as far as the exhaust side, until you upgrade your turbo. Say you get a 16g series turbo, then you will want to port the exhast side of the turbo, but if you get a hybrid some of them come with exhaust housing that are cast larger then o.e.m. mitsu housings. Also don't forget to tack a fuel pump on your list of mods.

 

[HotSauce GS N/T]

i gotta hold off on any more upgrades till i can get my car looked at... something is wrong and i cant get any idea what it is, so far ive had quite a few people look at it around here and havent come up with anything, i need to find someone in the area (albany, ny) to give her a good look over. im gonna post in the problem diagnosis fourm. but so far this is what i got planned

rnr turboback o2 eliminator exhuast (2.5" downpipe, 3" catback) with highflow cat
sbr mani from slowboy http://www.slowboyracing.com/Exhaust/Exhaust manifolds/Evo Exhaust manifold/sbrcast.html
wb fuel pump
boost gauge
egt gauge
mbc

but like i said i gotta find someone to help me fix her up


thanks for all the help guys ill keep you updated...

-kyle