Honda with 4G63?

[djpast]

just one thing i have to say here... and i love hodnas dont get me wrong i drove an accord with an h22a swap.


2.4 4g64 Magnus motorsports built race motor w/ Shep or Tre Tranny : $5200 > stock b18c5 Type R Motor with tranny : $5500

 

[krustindumm]

D16A6 built for boost $3k
Turbo "kit" $2k
500+whp, crazy torque, and light weight.

as I said before, I dislike the b-series. overplayed and underpowered.

-Dustin

 

[stock1g4g63]

Yeah, but a CRX with B18c5 and tranny, vs. a CRX 2.4L 4G63 and tranny, speedwise who would win? I'd say the '63 powered car would spank the the B series. So all in all, that means the '63 swap is more feasible right? As far as costs vs. power/speed.

 

[turbohappy]

Originally posted by krustindumm
D16A6 built for boost $3k
Turbo "kit" $2k
500+whp, crazy torque, and light weight.

You got a dyno-plot on that?

 

[EvolvingGST]

Yeah the 4G63 in a civic isnt a new idea... it was done for pro drag before they changed the rules... those were like the first civics running low 10s....

Anyways.... I will say this one notion... for the money you spend on this why not get a 1G GSX... it would save you a lot of money... Its a pretty cool idea... but worth the money is up to you...

Now as for a RX7 with it.... well the rotary engine is one of the best performance engines out there... Hard as hell to work on but still one of the best engines hands down... The reason I suggest not putting one in is because the rotary engine is used for 50/50 balancing of the car. So you will lose a lot of horse power... and RX7s are the ish... why change them?

 

[krustindumm]

Originally posted by turbohappy
You got a dyno-plot on that?

Yes, I do but can't find it. Don't really need proof though do you? Pistons, rods, sleeves, fuel management, and crank up the boost.

Yeah, but a CRX with B18c5 and tranny, vs. a CRX 2.4L 4G63 and tranny, speedwise who would win? I'd say the '63 powered car would spank the the B series. So all in all, that means the '63 swap is more feasible right? As far as costs vs. power/speed.

Yes, yes it would. Cost have find out still, how much are axles going to cost? Shift linkage? Clutch setup? Wiring/ECM?

-Dustin

 

[dsmturboawd]

Originally posted by krustindumm
After all, I have yet to see a F1 engine with Mitsubishi on the valve covers.

-Dustin

youre not the first honda guy to say this to me. i laugh harder every time i hear it.

the fact that honda pours money into f1 cars and mitsu doesnt means nothing and doesnt change the fact that a hondas are slow man.

 

[djpast]

Originally posted by dsmturboawd
youre not the first honda guy to say this to me. i laugh harder every time i hear it.

the fact that honda pours money into f1 cars and mitsu doesnt means nothing and doesnt change the fact that a hondas are slow man.

too true... and whens the last time you saw a honda badge at a rally? =) just pointing out... not hating =)

 

[krustindumm]

It was a retarded comment. Shouldn't post late at night. My point was supposed to be that honda spends $$$$ developing their engines.

the fact that honda pours money into f1 cars and mitsu doesnt means nothing and doesnt change the fact that a hondas are slow man.

that was a retarded thing to say as well. I haven't claimed all DSMs are slow even though you clock N/A auto's 0-60 with a calandar. Just because most never came with a turbo, doesn't make them slow, and just because some/most do come with turbos doesn't make them all fast. Turbo's are the only good way to make power, so turbo DSM's have that *slight* advantage

-Dustin

 

[turbohappy]

Originally posted by krustindumm
Yes, I do but can't find it. Don't really need proof though do you? Pistons, rods, sleeves, fuel management, and crank up the boost.

Yes, yes I do. d16a6 with over 500 whp is shocking for something that lives more than once.

 

[gritsak]

Originally posted by krustindumm
D16A6 built for boost $3k
Turbo "kit" $2k
500+whp, crazy torque, and light weight.

as I said before, I dislike the b-series. overplayed and underpowered.

-Dustin

i seriously hope your joking

 

[krustindumm]

about what? I'm looking for the chart now. I lost the one I saved and I didn't bookmark the site.

the B-series IS way overpriced for what you get. To many people are all about just having one, thinking the swap is so cool-like a bodykit, and not about performance.

 

[gritsak]

Originally posted by krustindumm
about what? I'm looking for the chart now. I lost the one I saved and I didn't bookmark the site.

the B-series IS way overpriced for what you get. To many people are all about just having one, thinking the swap is so cool-like a bodykit, and not about performance.

so your saying 5k will get you 500whp from an sohc? o you have to be joking, maybe you should look into things a bit more, and i would love to see a dyno chart of a sohc doing 500+whp with proof because its never happened

i would love to see your

"$3,000 built for boost sohc" let alone your "$2,000 turbo kit"

you have no idea what your talkin about bro, my suggestion is you should spend a little more time in the forced induction section on honda-tech and learn more before you make yourself looks stupid

 

[turbohappy]

If you've got proof, I'll believe it. I'm not going to bash you. I'm just guessing that if this was the case, my CRX would have 500+ whp right now

 

[krustindumm]

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The useless website

Not the one I was thinking of, but interesting none the less. That was 25psi, now making 511 @ 30psi

I'll try to find the others.

-Dustin

 

[gritsak]

Originally posted by krustindumm

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The useless website

Not the one I was thinking of, but interesting none the less. That was 25psi, now making 511 @ 30psi

I'll try to find the others.

-Dustin

if thats in fact is a chart from an sohc, it has to be on the bottle...even to making 450whp on an sohc your gonna have to have a monster turbo..and that dyno chart has full boost by 5600-5700..wheres the specs on the car from the dyno chart at?

i can go post a random chart or a website of someone claiming they dyno xxxwhp...ive been into turbo hondas for over 3years and on honda-tech for a long ass time and have never heard of any 500whp sohc's...especially ones have have 5,000 invested into them

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by stock1g4g63
Hey guys, I know it's probably been done before, but I've heard of a guy who has a 4G63 in an MR2. I was thinking, how feasible (costs vs. speed) to put a 4G63 into something small like a CRX

Drop the tail over a complete FWD Turbo engine and drive package.

 

[krustindumm]

I think this is the list that goes w/ that car, it is hard to track down this info. Newbs and bullshitters are tough to sort through. My notes are in Bold.

Pauter x-beam rods
wiesco pistons (8.8:1)
darton sleaves
MLS head gasket no brand?
Ported and polished head
crower stage 2 turbo cam
SS valves (1mm oversize)
titanium retainers
valve springs no brand?
aem fuel rail
ball bearing turbo no specs
maxrev manifold
fmic
tial 40mm wastegate
3" down pipe
jg edelbrock intake manifold
70 mm throttle body

I know I hurt my own case, but yeah, that is what I think is the spec sheet for that car. Not too much $$$ into it.

-Dustin

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

ok ok enough bashing....the fastest fwd unbody all motor is Bisi Ezerioha's sohc crx. Hes currently running 10.282@131, and I can garauntee that he has more than 5k in it. Secondly I had a sohc civic which I had like 3k into it....2k in speed 1k in sound and handling. 5k aint buying you 500 whp and lotsa torque, Im sorry to be the 10th person to burst your bubble.

Lets say you do have 500 hp on a civic or any honda motor at that 300 torque is about the max your gonna get on average(although I saw the website saying 400). I used to love hondas but my Rice mobile with all its mods didnt compare to my stock dsm let alone my modded dsm.....

morale of the story dont come to a dsm site and argue up and down about hondas when we are here for dsms ......good night Im tired

 

[turbohappy]

Bisi isn't running a d-series sohc anymore.

 

[stock1g4g63]

ok, since this is starting to get out of hand, I'm going to try to bring my thread back to point (although it makes me glad to be a DSMer, since my gf and all my friends seem to agree that we're the smartest of all import fans). SO, in conclusion. 4G63 in CRX, worth it?

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by DSMeclipse4G63
ok ok enough bashing....the fastest fwd unbody all motor is Bisi Ezerioha's sohc crx. Hes currently running 10.282@131

Showing just how poorly-suited FWD is for dragging.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Originally posted by Defiant
Showing just how poorly-suited FWD is for dragging.

yep

stock1g4g63,
DSM's are usdm not jdm they are built and designed here not imports, the only reason Im driving one is cause it isnt an import. Honda left a bad mark on me thats why.
Andrew

edit: Im sory I completly forgot your question. Yes if you have the money its worth it our power and torque in a 1700-2000 pound body. Anything is worth it if you have the money and will.

 

[krustindumm]

The point I was trying to make was that you can make the same power out of a Honda engine for about the same $$.

Yes you still end up with a FWD, and no it is not ideally suited to drag racing. The only reason I would consider switching from a honda is that fact. (but not for drag racing, only for drifting and donuts, sense-less destruction of tires is good).

Bisi's fastest with a D-series (and a 1.5L non-VTEC at that) was 10.28, with the F22 (which is also a SOHC non-VTEC) he has run a 10.06.

-Dustin

 

[stock1g4g63]

Well i know that eclipses are USDM, just like the FTO's are JDM, I was just looking at how much faster I can make the 4G63 push a car with just weight reduction, or more over how much the gain in speed would be and weither or not it's worth the money.

About honda's, I mean, I've spent maybe 3,000 in mods, and I've yet to see any honda spend 3000 and beat me, or even come clost for that matter. My fastest ET has been 12.8 on my FWD dsm. I doubt any honda could spend a mere 3000 and break into 12's. Not to mention the fact that I bought the car for 4800.