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...Hey man I'm sorry about that. See I needed money for my car, your dad gave me a call. Seems your a**hole is too loose and he's not having fun anymore. I needed money for my car and he pays very well. ...

Dad jokes? Sheesh... I'm in a good mood today, and actually smiling right now. Your post made me laugh instead of getting me upset this time, and I'm looking back and thinking how stupid and childish we both sound.

...Yes it does. You're running out of cool buzwords and pretty soon you'll be telling us how a bad pulley throws off the alignment of the magnaflux converter, or something equally stupid. ...

Actually, it wouldn't be the magnaflux converter..it would more than likely distort the structural integrity of the chrome plated frachmer valve though..

...No, no. They won't speak to me because of your dad, he asks to much time from me. Pretty soon I'll be able to afford a GT2....

You mean Gran Turismo 2 right? Cause from what I hear, you just ain't that good..

...Actually anyone who reads your post will see that it was very well thought out. You spent time writing that, not just 10 seconds....

To be honest, I'm a pretty fast thinker, and did write it in under a minute, as I do most of my posts. I am still human, and I make errors. That WAS an honest mistake.
...Cool, so has it made 500hp on a 14b and nitrous yet?...

Not yet.

...Well Florida is a bit far, how about meeting halfway? Tell you what though, neither of our cars will be running well by the shootout. So let's plan on next year. You vs. me, heads up (not bracket racing). You win I pay you $1000. I win you promise to never post on any car related internet boards, under any name, EVER. Yes I'm serious. I can send the money to a neutral "mediator" through an escrow service or something of the sort. They will have the money before either of us leave for the shootout.
Here are the conditions:
both cars must weigh in at 2950 w/o driver or more
engine displacement may not exceed 2 liters (not 4G64 or stroker crank)
cars must both be running full exhausts with mufflers
only z rated tires, no drag radials.

Deal or are you scared to actually race?...

Okay, so you mean to tell me, that you want to set up a race at the track, your AWD vs. my FWD and I'm supposed to run normal street tires, and not EVEN drag radials? If you go bottom 11's by then, I could make 1000HP and potentially not catch you on street tires! That's not exactly a fair race. If you want to see who's car is faster, I should be able to run slicks. That's like saying I have to pull out two of my plug wires when we race. How about no handicap? I build my cars to tear up the highway, not to 60 foot. You say a 'real' race, but it's one that is to your advantage. Let me run real tires, and I'll do it. No problem. Am I scared to race? You are seriously asking that? I didn't back down from a Supercharged Viper GTS. I'm definately not going to back down from a 4 cylinder. Well, this race is going to be for next year...so by then I'll prolly have my Vette so I CAN run on plain Z rated street tires. Nah..I'll keep the Talon just for you. ;)
 
NDgsx wrote:
No, no. They won't speak to me because of your dad, he asks to much time from me. Pretty soon I'll be able to afford a GT2.
NosLaser wrote:
You mean Gran Turismo 2 right? Cause from what I hear, you just ain't that good..

:laugh: Gran Turismo 2... I thought the same thing first too! Oh and being you both decided to post this on a public board and not a PM i'll put in my .02, I think it would be fair to race from a 40 roll on the hwy with NDgsx running his car FWD.

Mario
 
Originally posted by NosLaser
[BOkay, so you mean to tell me, that you want to set up a race at the track, your AWD vs. my FWD and I'm supposed to run normal street tires, and not EVEN drag radials? If you go bottom 11's by then, I could make 1000HP and potentially not catch you on street tires! That's not exactly a fair race. If you want to see who's car is faster, I should be able to run slicks. That's like saying I have to pull out two of my plug wires when we race. How about no handicap? I build my cars to tear up the highway, not to 60 foot. You say a 'real' race, but it's one that is to your advantage. Let me run real tires, and I'll do it. No problem. Am I scared to race? You are seriously asking that? I didn't back down from a Supercharged Viper GTS. I'm definately not going to back down from a 4 cylinder. Well, this race is going to be for next year...so by then I'll prolly have my Vette so I CAN run on plain Z rated street tires. Nah..I'll keep the Talon just for you. ;) [/B]

Actually I thought your talon was AWD, my bad. Fine you can run dot drag radials or et slicks. Just like street class rules contact patch can not exceed 10.5".
 
...Just like street class rules contact patch can not exceed 10.5"....

Nor would anything over 10.5" likely fit on a non-coilover suspension stock fendered, stock offset FWD DSM either. ;)
 
Originally posted by NosLaser
And then Tev will come in and say I'm nailing myself to a cross.

WTF? How did I get brought into this? I don't think I need to post **** pertaining to you. You seem to have more than you can handle with just Nick and Leon.

Topic: Lighter flywheels are good for faster rev, smoother shifting type applications. Road race and Autocross. For drag, the heavier stock flywheel allows for easier, more consistant launches. I personally think the benefits outweigh the negatives.

Non-dampened pullies are the devil's curse. I DID go to school for Mechanical Engineering and in fact majored in Mat Sci. I can sum it all up with this: The benefits you do gain will NEVER out do the risks and damage you will be doing. Yes maybe all engines DON'T fail (a la NosLaser) but you never see a 100% failure rate, so that is unrealistic. It really isn't worth the gain.
 
...WTF? How did I get brought into this? I don't think I need to post **** pertaining to you. You seem to have more than you can handle with just Nick and Leon. ...

Hehe.. This was yesterday and I was pissed off. Don't take it personal. Notice, I barely mentioned ya.

As far as the flywheels go, I think it's good idea from a safety standpoint alone. Just like the solid crank pulley may not be a good idea for the 'safety' of the motor, a stock re-used flywheel is not good for the safety of your passenger. ;)

It burns me up that I suggest that Larryd go with forged internals for safety's sake, and get chastized for it. But, when the popular opinion is to go with a dampened pulley for safety's sake, it's praised. Hmmmm...something fishy here..

Regards,
 
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I just thought I would lighten the mood. If this was the old west, I'd setup a gunfight in the street for you guys.

jeff
 
Originally posted by NosLaser
Hehe.. This was yesterday and I was pissed off. Don't take it personal. Notice, I barely mentioned ya.

You seemed to be pissed off a lot lately. How's your blood pressure? :)

Originally posted by NosLaser

As far as the flywheels go, I think it's good idea from a safety standpoint alone. Just like the solid crank pulley may not be a good idea for the 'safety' of the motor, a stock re-used flywheel is not good for the safety of your passenger. ;)

Let me adjust my previous statement by saying that I would only every use an aluminum flywheel and not a lightened stock. I have used a lightened stock one and decided against the continued use.

Originally posted by NosLaser

It burns me up that I suggest that Larryd go with forged internals for safety's sake, and get chastized for it. But, when the popular opinion is to go with a dampened pulley for safety's sake, it's praised. Hmmmm...something fishy here..

Regards,

Don't go looking for conspiracies.
 
...How's your blood pressure? ...

High damnit!!!!!!!! When on a car forum on the internet, people sometimes forget the live person on the other end (myself included) may have other things going on at the same time that are sources of stress. Take my job for instance. I work for Mercedes-Benz, and my job is basically to cater to a bunch of rich IDIOTS who don't know whether to sh!t or go blind. It's a wonder these people can tie their own shoes in the morning (dude, they are THAT stupid) but yet they land jobs that can afford them to buy 100K+++ dollar cars. I feel my job is something any trained monkey can do, and I feel like I'm not being intellectually stimulated. (Which is why I spend so much time here...my mind constantly wanders..) Thank God for Kenpo and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu...seemingly the only two sources of intellectual stimulation in my life right now. So to answer your question, yes...my blood pressure prolly is a bit high (maybe not literally, or maybe literally ;) ) and yes, I have a short fuse, a temper, etc. etc. A lot of it comes out here and a lot of it is just venting.

Let me give you an example..(hehe) This lady called in the other day. Let me do some setup..you know when it's barely raining, and your wipers are on, and they make that d-d-d-d-d-d sound as they grab against your semi-wet windsheild? She was complaining that the sound was making her vomit. I'm not kidding. She went as far as to say that if she even thought about that sound, she would vomit. The fact that she actually thought she was serious about this was making me vomit.

Anyways....I don't want to rant anymore. ;) And Swordfish..what video game was that from?? It looks like that old Nintendo game 'Commando' or something...hilarious!

Regards,
 
Originally posted by NosLaser
I must first ask why, if upgraded pulleys are so bad, that the Mustang guys and Camaro guys have been using them without hindrance for the last 15+ years?

I believe that the harmonic balancer and the accessory pully on a V8 are usually two separate pieces. So you can replace the pully without getting rid of the balancer.

Not so on our cars due to the limited space. The balancer and the pully are one single assembly.
 
I believe that the harmonic balancer and the accessory pully on a V8 are usually two separate pieces. So you can replace the pully without getting rid of the balancer.

they are.
 
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