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[mylevi08]

Ok im new to DSM's. My buddies car is pretty quick and I saw a vid of Shep's car and decided its the way to go. Im planning to drag mine, I picked up a 97 gst auto here are my plans as follows and things I need advice on so everyone is clear.

I Bought/Have:
Tubular Mani.
02 dump
2.5 downpipe
3" catback
Turbo XS MBC
AFC NEO

Im planning to buy this week:
FP green
ARC FMIC kit
precision 780cc
Walbro 255
Fuel pressure reg.
gates v belts

Going to buy soon:
IPT trans with stall convertor
eagle rods with ross pistons
b.c. 272's
hks cam gears
hks belts
arp studs
cometic hg
and im debating on vpc, dsmlink, etc.. not sure what to do, I dont want a gm maf hack.
any constructive advice would be great. Im not new to building just to dsm's. also im thinking of doing the 2.3l build what can i get a crankshaft out of? thanks in advance.

 

[SBR Joe]

I would definately go the DSM link route with the setup.

As far as the crank, any 4g64 from 93 to 99 will work. As long as its a 7 bolt from a 2.4 pre 2000 then it will work fine. They can be found in the galants and Eclipse Spyder non turbo cars.



Joe

 

[98GSXtreme07]

Wow... I sure do wish i had deep pockets like you do. Huh... but I def. like everything your doing and your going to do. Im also liking the IPT Trans. Good choice!

 

[mylevi08]

just went threw a divorce and lost my cars so I sold my 06 r1 and am using the money to build my new toy. I couldn't keep the bike and work and see my kids and still get to ride it. so im going to build a fast street car since my others are gone and my girls can still ride in a reliable car with a/c and heat... kinda best of both worlds.... there when I need it.

 

[98GSXtreme07]

I ment to tell you but I agree with SBR Joe and go with the DSMlink.

 

[CTP]

I Bought/Have:
Tubular Mani.----- what brand/kind
02 dump ------you went tubular but not external gate? bad idea
2.5 downpipe ------ too small
3" catback ------good
Turbo XS MBC ------ good
AFC NEO ------ good

Im planning to buy this week:
FP green------ eh
ARC FMIC kit ---- ARC from japan? I thought their stuff was for ballers only?
precision 780cc ------- not gona work with the AFC
Walbro 255 ------ good
Fuel pressure reg. ------ get an Aeromotive
gates v belts --------- ok...

Going to buy soon:
IPT trans with stall convertor
eagle rods with ross pistons ------ overkill
b.c. 272's ------- good
hks cam gears ----- good
hks belts ----- waste of money
arp studs ----- good
cometic hg ----- good


and im debating on vpc, dsmlink, etc.. not sure what to do, I dont want a gm maf hack.
any constructive advice would be great. Im not new to building just to dsm's. also im thinking of doing the 2.3l build what can i get a crankshaft out of? thanks in advance.

VPC...

DSMlink, definitely not a fan. Also no need to do a GM MAF, which, you are correct, is a hack.

You already had an AFC on the list. Just go with that.

What are your power goals?

 

[imagine3163]

I would also say to get some shifter mods (base bushings, cable bushings, short shifter, etc.) when you get your transmission done.

 

[98GSXtreme07]

If im correct, i believe the OP has an auto tranny. Correct me if im wrong?

 

[CTP]

I would also say to get some shifter mods (base bushings, cable bushings, short shifter, etc.) when you get your transmission done.

There's just one problem with that:

I picked up a 97 gst auto

 

[imagine3163]

^^ Good call ^^

 

[2gGSX]

VPC...

DSMlink, definitely not a fan. Also no need to do a GM MAF, which, you are correct, is a hack.

You already had an AFC on the list. Just go with that.

What are your power goals?

Please explain your reasoning. You're telling him to go with just an AFC versus DSMLink, given that he has 780cc injectors? Good luck keeping your timing under control with a -40% airflow compensation.

 

[CTP]

Please explain your reasoning. You're telling him to go with just an AFC versus DSMLink, given that he has 780cc injectors? Good luck keeping your timing under control with a -40% airflow compensation.

I never said the injectors would work with an AFC, in fact I said the exact opposite. IMO, DSMlink is the poorest stock ECU tuning software I've seen. It's laughable in comparison to what's readily available for FREE for Hondas. I would never spend a dime on it. If I was going to go for a semi-standalone, I'd get E-Manage. It's very user friendly and is superior to DSMlink for not much more money.

 

[dehlak]

AFC is defiantly a bad idea if you're looking to go the good route. DSMlink is the way to go...unless you want to fork out roughly 1600$ for AEM stand alone(Go with link).

P.S on the shifter mods - Auto

 

[Asimmons90GSX]

I never said the injectors would work with an AFC, in fact I said the exact opposite. IMO, DSMlink is the poorest stock ECU tuning software I've seen. It's laughable in comparison to what's readily available for FREE for Hondas. I would never spend a dime on it. If I was going to go for a semi-standalone, I'd get E-Manage. It's very user friendly and is superior to DSMlink for not much more money.

DSM link is extremely user friendly and is damn near stand alone. It controls all parameters of your car. My friend tunes his car with it and LOVES it. He has squeezed out over 600 crank hp out of his stock motor in his 90 talon. He already broke the stock 6 bolt record with the car. So there's your proof of a good working part.
Your telling him to go with an AFC........ya ok junior! That's for newbies with 16g's.
He's already said that he wants it to be a track car. Going with an afc would be STUPID! The GM MAF translator setup is also a good way to go. Not a hack...one wire! And your getting much more air flow with the gm sensor. The same guy that uses the dsm link ran the translator setup before dsm link. He ran a 7.2 in the 1/8th on 21lbs on the fp3055 turbo with a small front mount and cracked pacesetter manifold. So it was falling on it's face at the end of the track. So there's some more proof for you and proves you don't know what your talking about. So there you go...stumped again! Message!

 

[2gGSX]

You already had an AFC on the list. Just go with that.

I never said the injectors would work with an AFC, in fact I said the exact opposite. IMO, DSMlink is the poorest stock ECU tuning software I've seen. It's laughable in comparison to what's readily available for FREE for Hondas. I would never spend a dime on it. If I was going to go for a semi-standalone, I'd get E-Manage. It's very user friendly and is superior to DSMlink for not much more money.

I'm not quite sure how someone can read that first quote and assume you mean "The AFC will not work with your setup".

I agree that the EMS options available for Hondas are pretty sweet, and there are people taking advantage of that (e.g. hakcenter's DS-MAP). Unfortunately that's not available for 2g's yet, and there isn't exactly a huge amount of support available for DSMs running off an Ostrich. The same applies to E-manage, not to mention that it can easily become more expensive than DSMLink even after factoring in the fact that he'd need an EPROM ECU.

Furthermore, E-manage will only compensate airflow by 20% without the E-01, which tacks on a pretty penny. That compensation alone isn't even enough for his injectors alone.

 

[CTP]

I'm not quite sure how someone can read that first quote and assume you mean "The AFC will not work with your setup".

I agree that the EMS options available for Hondas are pretty sweet, and there are people taking advantage of that (e.g. hakcenter's DS-MAP). Unfortunately that's not available for 2g's yet, and there isn't exactly a huge amount of support available for DSMs running off an Ostrich. The same applies to E-manage, not to mention that it can easily become more expensive than DSMLink even after factoring in the fact that he'd need an EPROM ECU.

Furthermore, E-manage will only compensate airflow by 20% without the E-01, which tacks on a pretty penny. That compensation alone isn't even enough for his injectors alone.

Read my original post. It clearly states that 780's will not work with an AFC.

precision 780cc ------- not gona work with the AFC

I agree that E-manage will be the more expensive route, however, having used it before and being very happy with it, if it was my car that's what I would go with.

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I read about that far and then decided that you need to learn to have intelligent, adult level conversations before I consider giving you a response. This is a tech site, not VWvortex.

 

[2gGSX]

I didn't realize you edited within the quote box, I see it now. Could you say what you think the E-manage and E-01 does better over Link? From what I saw there was not a lot offered by the standard E-manage/E01, including much more limited logging setup. Even the E-manage ultimate didn't seem to offer too many useful things (are you really going to utilize individual cylinder tuning? If you're at that stage a full standalone seems like it would make more sense). The logger is also limited to 8 variables which can be problematic--before you argue, I have 16 raw data points logged.

All in all, I'm not sure where the benefit is coming from. Wideband trace is nice, but ultimately a gimmick IMO. Setting up a WOT fuel adjustment table takes me 3 pulls now.

 

[TheBagelGuy]

Personally, I would go with dsmlink, just because it can do pretty much everything but wipe your ass. (ass wiping comes with v3.0) But it can do pretty much anything you need, even nitrous control, ignition timing, can remove speed limiter, can change rev limit, it even has a stutter box control. I haven't seen an AFC or even an e-manage that can do all of the things that dsmlink can. And it is also easier to use than most AFC's out there

 

[MrBoxx]

DSMLink will do for 95% of DSM'ers exactly what they need it to do. As far as stock-ECU tuning goes, for a DSM, you can't really ask for more. If you happen to be in that 5% for whom DSMLink doesn't work for you, then you have other options. AEM, Haltech, Greddy E-manage, etc. But don't say the most widely-hailed tuning tool known to DSM'ers is a poor piece of work.

 

[smellmyface686]

DSMLink will do for 95% of DSM'ers exactly what they need it to do. As far as stock-ECU tuning goes, for a DSM, you can't really ask for more. If you happen to be in that 5% for whom DSMLink doesn't work for you, then you have other options. AEM, Haltech, Greddy E-manage, etc. But don't say the most widely-hailed tuning tool known to DSM'ers is a poor piece of work.

+1 Of course link doesnt have the ability to manipulate every single aspect of your engine, but they made it that way for a reason. It's meant to be more user friendly than anything, but able to get the job done as well.

 

[mylevi08]

ok so what ecu to buy since its an auto and what dsm link to get etc.. im not a dsm person any input is great.. im open to any option but cheaper is better obviously not to sacrifice better in there.

 

[imagine3163]

ok so what ecu to buy since its an auto and what dsm link to get etc..

You will need an EPROM ecu from a 95 turbo dsm and you will want the 2g dsmlink v2 package. The ecu's are usually around $250 and the link new is around $550. Look around in the classifieds here though because there are usually people selling both for a discount.

 

[Clutch GSX]

If youre serous about dragging your car idk why you didnt go with the GSX. If youve got the money and are going for big power youll regret not getting AWD. If you really want a drag car I wouldnt go with the 2.3 stroker. Go with a destroked 2.1 or a 2.0 and throw on a GT42R or something, build the head and off you go with 600+HP and a 9000RPM rev limit.

 

[CTAinc1]

guys using DSM LINK. I have it on my 90 talon tsi awd and freaking love it. I tune cars for a living on my dyno, and i wish some other copanies could do their tunning software more simple and user friendly like the LINK. Simple, affordable, Gets the job done, and very well at that!! Biggest bang for the buck!! Thanks, Jimmy @ Spooled Motorsports columbia, s.c. and CTAinc.

 

[CTP]

If youre serous about dragging your car idk why you didnt go with the GSX. If youve got the money and are going for big power youll regret not getting AWD. If you really want a drag car I wouldnt go with the 2.3 stroker. Go with a destroked 2.1 or a 2.0 and throw on a GT42R or something, build the head and off you go with 600+HP and a 9000RPM rev limit.

Good call. Strokers are for street cars, not purpose built drag cars. You're going to want to rev as high as possible to make as much power as possible.

OP, you still haven't said anything about power or speed goals.