difference between turbos/turbo kits

[DSMunknown]

i'm trying to decide on a turbo kit/turbo upgrade. i am NOT looking to just throw on some big turbo and think i'm gonna go anywhere, nevermind fast.

here are my choices:

TD05H-16G 7CM2--from turbochargers.com
16G-Killer--from XS Engineering
TDO5H-18G--from Greddy
16G--from Hahn Racecraft
a garrett GT turbo--from Precision turbo
FP Big28--from Road/Race Engineering

i know there are things such as:
Denso 660 fuel injectors
Walboro 255 fuel pump
Injen Intake
Type S BOV
FMIC
upgraded IC piping
Clutch Masters clutch and flywheel
3" cat back exhaust system
MSD ignition system
Apexi v-afc
Apexi avc-r
and other stuff i can't think of right now...

i'm looking for a setup to make my car an "STI KILLER". is any kit superior to all the others? i know this is SUCH a newbie kind of question, i couldn't help my self. the devil made me do it (sorry) .

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

hey bud, i think you need to ask yourself what you want out of your car. Building an STi killer isnt hard at all but the products youlisted are so apples and oranges that it would be near impossible for anyone to really recommend anything. you need to consider things like....

HP goals
Is the car a daily
How much track time
what kind of budget are you on
what are you tuning with
etc......

Post some of that info and you will see some good replies. The list of mods you posted is a great way to start. also there are alot of posts by a lot of people in the similar position so it might be in your best interest to search around alittle bit there is a lot of really good info out there.

stop listening to that pesky devil, next him might tell you to buy a honda. ;-).

best of luck to you. Suby hunting is tons of fun.

 

[Dallas J]

For most people that are new to the dsm scene and want an upgraded turbo, I recomend the evo16g as will most other. For most newbies the evo16g will be plenty. If you ever have that maxed out where you need a bigger turbo, then at that time youll probably have a good idea of what youre doing and what you need.

I used the B16g a few years ago as my stepping stone to a 50trim. Maybe the 50trim will be enough, maybe not.. wont know till I max it out.

-Dallas J

 

[DSMunknown]

hey bud, i think you need to ask yourself what you want out of your car. Building an STi killer isnt hard at all but the products youlisted are so apples and oranges that it would be near impossible for anyone to really recommend anything. you need to consider things like....

HP goals
Is the car a daily
How much track time
what kind of budget are you on
what are you tuning with
etc......

Post some of that info and you will see some good replies. The list of mods you posted is a great way to start. also there are alot of posts by a lot of people in the similar position so it might be in your best interest to search around alittle bit there is a lot of really good info out there.

stop listening to that pesky devil, next him might tell you to buy a honda. ;-).

best of luck to you. Suby hunting is tons of fun.

actually, i was thinking more on a 3-5 year scale . my horse power goals are 300-350whp. yes, my car is daily driven. my first mod was a k&n filter and i'm planning my next mod to be a Evo 2 Greddy exhaust system. it depends on year to year (cause i'm in college and only work in the summer) but my budget is around a grand to about 3,000.

on other concern i have- all of the 16G turbos that i have found have internal wastegates. i would like, in the long term of course, to have an external 'gate cause it is able to hold more boost. would i have to just remove the internal from the turbo and then apply the external? or is there a 16G that is offered with an external setup?

what did you mean about buying a honda? i like my dsm, thank you very much .

 

[DSMunknown]

For most people that are new to the dsm scene and want an upgraded turbo, I recomend the evo16g as will most other. For most newbies the evo16g will be plenty. If you ever have that maxed out where you need a bigger turbo, then at that time youll probably have a good idea of what youre doing and what you need.

-Dallas J

which is a good, reliable site that i can go to to find the evo16g? Is this turbo offered with a kit? or will i need to do all the preliminary stuff first? i know there will have to be some stuff done to the car before just throwing a kit on there, but usually a kit takes care of a decent amount of parts for the turbo to work properly.

 

[David15151]

heh first do us a favor and fill out your vehicle profile so we can better help you. I personally would recommend a 16g as well for you. A kit is needed for a stock turbo set up of a 2g car while the 1g will bolt right in. I would recommend talking with SlowBoyRacing if you wish to talk to a vendor about these things. I'm sure they have everything you might need. With supporting mods a 16G can make your HP goal. Also, stay away from turbos with the name "killer" cause its basically a marketing thing. If you want to use an external wastegate you need your manifold modified to mount in there and just get the wastegate of the 16G welded shut.. not too difficult. You CAN throw a 16g on your car without modding it but you wont feel any power gain without the supporting mods. Check the upgrade path on this side in the tuning guide to better understand about which order you should buy parts. Again.. fill out your profile so we can help you better.

 

[DSMunknown]

fill out your vehicle profile so we can better help you. I personally would recommend a 16g as well for you.

Also, stay away from turbos with the name "killer" cause its basically a marketing thing.

If you want to use an external wastegate you need your manifold modified to mount in there and just get the wastegate of the 16G welded shut.. not too difficult.

You CAN throw a 16g on your car without modding it but you wont feel any power gain without the supporting mods.

ok, i did fill out my vehicle profile. the only mod i have on my car now is a K&N filter . other than that, it is completely stock .

refering back to the "killer marketing scheme", i figured as much. but can't that be said about turbos with the name "Big" in them, such as the Big 16G turbo ? i have read on this site that the Big 16G performs better than a regular 16G.

with the external wastegate, i know i will probably have to buy a new manifold to install the 'gate. but should i get a mani' that has the 'gate off of one pipe, or at the bottom, where all of the pipes meet? i have read that there is really no difference between the two, that they both perform the same.

it is my understanding that there is NO turbo, other than the T25, that can be put in to a 2G without the major risk of detonation :thumbdown . i have heard this time and time again, so it must be true. at the very least, to put on a bigger turbo, i would need a fuel managment system (like from Apexi), bigger fuel injectors, and a bigger fuel pump so as to not ruin my engine. am i mistaken in this assumption? or is it possible to put on any 16G turbo (including the EVO2-16G) onto a completely stock 2G engine?

 

[David15151]

Ok, in reponce...

The reason there is a BIG g16 is to distiguish between the varients of it. There is a small G16, G16, and Big G16 each with its own characteristics.

Using a larger turbo then the T25 does not cause detonation.. what causes it is when you start running higher boost. If you had a 16G on a stock 2nd gen car and ran it at 10psi.. you would not have a problem with detonation. The reason people get fuel management is to be able to up the boost to a level where that certain turbo is more efficient. Running a T25 at 25Psi is just not going to happen but with a 50 trim running 25 psi is not hard with the right amount of fuel.

So, yes you can put an Evo16G on a stock car but I would run it at close to stock boost level until I had the support it needs to really show its power. Once you have a logger you can just turn up the boost till you start feeling knock. I would guess around 14 PSI with an EVO but each car is different.

As far as running an external wastegate.. I personally would prefer venting from all cylinders then just one.. personal preference. As to if there is a difference.. im not sure.

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

Man getting a greddy kit or a XS kit you would be smoking crack Those kits are soo expensive and perform just as good as a regular 16g.

Just go to Slowboyracing.com

Evo 3 16g is $569 bucks they have put down 400whp on there 1g eclipseand someone has ran 11.8 with that turbo on here.

your gonna need an install kit for 200 bucks.

I believe like everyone says is the best bang for the buck and probably one of the most widely used turbos in our community. There is no need for external wastegate in my opinion.

Id get 550s a 255 FP FMIC, and afc/dsmlink and you should have a pretty bad ass setup.

 

[DSMunknown]

Ok, in reponce...



If you had a 16G on a stock 2nd gen car and ran it at 10psi.. you would not have a problem with detonation. The reason people get fuel management is to be able to up the boost to a level where that certain turbo is more efficient.

So, yes you can put an Evo16G on a stock car but I would run it at close to stock boost level until I had the support it needs to really show its power. Once you have a logger you can just turn up the boost till you start feeling knock.

Just go to Slowboyracing.com

Evo 3 16g is $569 bucks they have put down 400whp on there 1g eclipseand someone has ran 11.8 with that turbo on here.

your gonna need an install kit for 200 bucks.

ok guys. sorry it's been a looooong while since i've been on here. i've been busy chekcing out the gamer world . trying to save up for an xbox, halo 2, xbox live, and a tv. and not having a job at the present time doesn't make my life any easier .

anyways... this is just a follow-up. a few weeks after the last post, i went on extreme psi's website. they offer a TD05H-EVOIII 16G-7CM² for $565. i think that's without the install kit, but whatever. my question is this- does slowboy have a better name for making quality stuff, like the 16g, or should i get this nice ported16g from extreme psi? i just checked everying in their 'shopping cart' option boxes, and the total come out to be $884. should i go with a 16g from them or from slowboy?

and what is this 'knock' that david speaks of? is that like when your car runs lean and rich? my car is STILL stock so i don't know what he's talking about here. how do u tell the difference ?

one more question- what's the difference between ported and non ported? thanx for all the input and advice. hail to the dsm lords of dsmtuners.com! Amen!

 

[pacent]

If you don't have a job and have a hard time saving up enough money for video games, I would suggest you stay away from turbo upgrades on your car until you get some steady income.

The turbo you want will run you 600 bucks and you need another 200 for the install kit, but thats just the turbo. You will need supporting mods. If your car is stock, you will need at the very least a 1g bov and boost gauge. You will also want an exhaust, boost controller, IC piping, and possibly upgraded IC. Even then, you wont be putting out as much hp as an STI safely without fuel management and datalogging software.

What if/when something breaks on your car? Will you still have money to fix it? My tranny just needed a rebuild and it has only 35k miles on it. Thats 2k out the door just to get my car back up and running.

I'm not saying don't mod your car, just dont keep your head in the clouds. Theres a reason why STI's cost 33k