looked at turbos, now I am all dizzy!!

[badboyr66]

Well, I have ben out of the DSM game for a while now. Went through some hard times and now I am getting back on my feet and getting the tsi up and running. Well, I have been searching the frum, and looking at turbos and , holy crap! I cannot believe the large spectrum of turbos. I am at a loss. I have been wanting a 50 trim for I am looking for a mid or low 12 car. But now I see all these other turbos out there? Oh ya, I am looking for something bolt on and internaly gated.

I really wanna hear from the people who own them. I am curious about what has worked well from a tech aspect. help anyone?

 

[babyman0737]

EVOIII 16g is bolt on and pretty nice.....

 

[destruckeclipse]

I think he wants something larger then a evo16g. He said he was looking at the 50 trim so I am just guessing. I am in the same boat, but I am still researching.

 

[badboyr66]

I have been looking alot at maps and still am kinda hmmm,

 

[jjbrasil]

I used to run a 20g in my 1g and ive bought a 2g and also will be purchasing a turbo very soon, their are lots of great hyrbid bolt on's out their and the prices have never been better, i personally have been lookin around and found this vendor on tuners The speedfactor which ive purchased a few things through before and have yet no negative feedback to give, only good things about them! they offer so many sorts of turbos for so many different applications, I found this turbo which im probobly looking to buy possibly, http://www.thespeedfactor.com/turbo_tsf_dsm.html
thiers plenty other turbos on that site u can look around and choose what best fits u, and if you have any questions im sure they will be able to help answer any questions you might have...but if your lookin for a nice street/ 12 sec turbo for 800 bucks u cant beat that! and ive heard nothing but good comments about Bullseye and thier products. Well good luck with your purchase its alwayse a fight to just pick the right one! and if you have any questions PM me

 

[badboyr66]

WOW thanks for the link, alot f good prices...anyone know what the B-52 runs in comparison to a 50 trim?

Also seems like the 50 trm comes from so many different places,makes me wonder what one is better? anyone?

 

[Talnz167]

I think he wants something larger then a evo16g. He said he was looking at the 50 trim so I am just guessing. I am in the same boat, but I am still researching.

He also said he was looking to get into mid 12s, where an EVOIII 16g would do that just fine. Hell, a s16g will do that also.

 

[Steve93Talon]

so would a 14b....

 

[DsMWookie]

Well if he wants to do it with ease I would recommend a bullseye-power.com turbo they sell to4b's for like 599 and its straight bolt on. You will need supporting mods for this turbo as opposed to the B16g....so take it with a grain of salt its a good price for a big turbo but supporting mods are a must.

 

[badboyr66]

I really wantg this thread to stay focussed on the subjects. Every thread turns into "you cannot use that cause you do not have supporting mods" I think I am on the right track as far as that area.

I have personaly seen 16gs in low 12s. But I really want maybe one step above that

 

[MADSPEED]

I got my evoIII for $560 shipped on ebay. You can't beat that for a budget and for another $70 you could have if ported and clipped. Get a front ount intercooler (FMIC) I know you have been out a while and get a walboro 255lp and a fuel pressure regulator and you should have a fun time around town or at the track.

BTW" Get your self a compression tester and check you compression 1g turbo should be at 164 (nothing bigger than 10% difference)

 

[98talonAWD]

a step above a EVO 16G would be something like these turbos: your turbo has to be efficient with your setup.. too big and you will lag, too small and you wont make the HP you want or the top end power wont be there.. im sure you understand that so i will just get to the turbos.

SBR G50- good spool up, great mid range and good top end power. good for 400hp or 11's in the 1/4 pretty easily.

SBR 20G- a little old school style, but still a well proven turbo that has gone 10's, good for 450hp, a little laggy compared to the new style turbos, but will get the job done.

SBR GT-11- ball bearing, very quick spool up, great boost response, good mid-top end power as well. but a little more exspensive( worth it though).

Bullseye-power To4B- good spool up(3500ish full boost), good mid rang and good top end due to the V-trim turbine wheel. 350-400 hp range.

Bullseye-power T04B-H3- same as the To4B except a different compressor wheel, more lbs/min flow, little more top end power and a bit more hp capable. 350-500 hp range. but a tad more laggy than the To4B.

Bullseye-power To4B-50 trim- capable of bolt on 11's in the 1/4, good for 500+hp range, great pump gas turbo, more lag than the To4B series turbos, but offers more mid- top end power due to the To4E compressor cover.. also adds 45cfm more than the To4B.

AGP RS43- quick spool up ( 20psi around 3500ish) uses bullseye-power turbine housing, good for around 400hp with pretty good top end power as well. great turbo for a quick spooling street car.

FP Green- good spool up, great mid range power and a high power band., TD06H turbine wheel offers great top end power and very pump gas friendly.

FP 3052- ball bearing delivers great boost response, great hp numbers have come from this turbo, pump gas monster, little more exspensive but worth it. very efficient turbo. Awesome turbine housing that will never crack.

PTE GT32E- great turbo that offers better spool up and better top end than the PTE 50 trim. and capable of more hp also. around 400+ hp capable.

PTE SCM5027E- 50 trim compressor wheel, 450hp rated, good mid range power with good top end performance as well. a good spooling turbo that offers good street manners.

And there are a few others, but those are the turbos that i would look at if i were you. And to be completely honest i would stay away from PTE turbos because they have a tendancy to blow-up( i have a few friends that bought them and are not happy with them). but you get the idea. I hope this helps you get the ball rolling a bit. good luck with it.





TIM

 

[RavenX]

The TO4B Vtrim is from 350-450whp. Someone already posted a 20psi dyno and he made 400whp maxing out his 550's plsu you have 5 more psi to play more with the vtrim so am sure it can get up to or around 450

 

[badboyr66]

LOl wow solid numbers... now mine will be a street driven car, and sometimes street raced. I am looking for something with decent spool on stock cams. I took a ride a 18g equiped car with stand alone ect... and it was spinning them into 4th. Granted that was a F2uning car www.f2uning.com there is a pic of the motor there.

 

[98talonAWD]

The TO4B Vtrim is from 350-450whp. Someone already posted a 20psi dyno and he made 400whp maxing out his 550's plsu you have 5 more psi to play more with the vtrim so am sure it can get up to or around 450

if you look at the compressor map of the To4B v trim.. you dont really want to run that much more boost on that turbo. 22psi is about what its good for.. after that its all about throwing hot air into the motor. and youre starting to get way outside the " island" on the compressor map. im not saying that you can't get 450hp out of it... but at that point you need a bigger turbo that can produce the same hp with less boost anyway.

badboyr66- i would probably look at the To4B-H3 for you... or if you really want a quicker spooling turbo then the To4B is probably your best bet. you really cant beat the price for that turbo...although on another thread i have heard and read that the turbos are not really producing the numbers that the company is claiming. My buddy just got one and we haven't put it on yet, but overall i was impressed with it.

 

[badboyr66]

Thanks for the advice 8talonAWD. How does that To4B-H3 sit against like a PTE 50 trim ya think?





Thanks to everyone for responding

 

[98talonAWD]

its pretty close to a 50 trim in some ways.. most 50 trims flow around 700cfm numbers, some higher some lower. the TO4B-H3 flows 49lbs/min. and PTE 50 trim i beleive is around 50lbs/min. you wont notice that at all. the only thing about the 50 trim is that it comes in a TO4E compressor cover which has a .60 A/R which is bigger than the TO4B-H3's cover. and the TO4E offers 45cfm more over the TO4B cover.

The PTE turbos " in my opinion" just wouldnt be something i would buy, there are better options out there. i listed the turbo as a reference to the other turbos. The nice thing about the PTE's is that they are cheap in price. same with the Bullseye-power turbos. however im sure everyone has heard of someone that knows something about a PTE blowing up.

but its your turbo and your car.. do what YOU want. ya know?!

TIM

 

[Blizz92tsi]

I have a question because I'm after the same goal. 350-400hp 12sec street "sleeper". I was wondering about an FP Green. I've heard that those are the king of pump gas (minus the ball bearing FP 30XX turbos). I was wondering how the internally gated greens are. Any problems with creep using internal? Also I was planning on running an upgraded side mount (probably Dejon Tool variety) will this be a problem with something the size of a green? The upgraded sidemount is "supposed" to ge good for about 400hp (Super Big Sidemount). If the green's too big for the upgraded sidemount I'll probably run an EVOIII. Thanks.

 

[98talonAWD]

you can run a FP green on that sidemount, but it would be more efficient with a big FMIC. a good buddy of mine has a 99 GSX with a FP green, DSM-performance FMIC, 264/272 cams, headwork, stock intake manifold and stock bottom end and his car does very very well. its internally gated and has no problem running 22psi on pump gas. he tunes using DSMlink V2 and since the head work and cams has not tuned the car and ran a 12.4@110 without tuning the car at all.

So to answer you question you can use the sidemount however your spool up will probably be a little more laggy than if you had a FMIC, but as far as boost control goes your more than fine.

 

[sweet97]

Tuning skill is important also. I should know because I am not very good at it! . I hd the EVO III 16G an it was great in the first 2gears and then fell off. I went to an AGPturbo.com RS49-50 trim. At the time I was running a small dejon FMIC and could only run 13 PSI without knock. I now have a Spearco 2-221 which also fit without hacking the bumper. It is only 16% larger than the dejon but has 57% more cooling tube area. I have gotten 18PSI without knock. The real point here is the turbine housing which is a bullseye, it' BEEFY! Very nice oil feed and return lines also. Mark

 

[98talonAWD]

well.. like you pointed out... about the intercooler. the bigger the intercooler and flow(cfm) the more boost you can run safely without knocking. my buddy along with me both have the DSM-Performance FMIC( they flow 1280cfm)... almost wont find a bigger flowing intercooler... he can get away with 22psi.. probably more just haven't taken it there. Tuning is a big key, however so is your supporting mods and everything like that.

just because my buddy runs 22psi doesnt really mean that the other guy or anybody else can. you need the flow of the turbo, intercooler, and the rest of the motor to all make high boost possible.

on the SMIC you probably wont be able to run that boost level... but maybe with the bigger turbo.. rather than a EVO 3 16g... you wont have to. you could run 15psi on the EVO turbo and run 12psi on the 50 trim and make more power and be more efficient on the 50 trim.. it comes down to something i learned this summer...WHY STRESS THE MOTOR WHEN YOU DONT NEED TO!

TIM

 

[~laser_craver~]

what kind of manifold would someone need to mount up one of those sbr ct11 i am seriously thinking about getting one they look amazing!!!! could they bolt up to a 1g manifold??? evo manifold?? dn performance tubular manifold???

ryan

 

[98talonAWD]

it will bolt right up to any DSM flanged manifold.. such as the 1g,2g,SBR cast, EVO, DNP header.