top mount turbo manifold, what do people do about piping

[sethpatch]

Ok so I've been talking to ets about a intercooler kit from them, I was gonna order the 12" race short route kit
. We got to talking about me running a jmf topmount with my holset hx40, and we were talking about what to do about the hotside intercooler piping. Im debating on buying the factory holset elbow for the charge piping but don't know if it will interfere. I will be also running a afco radiator in the middle of my core support.

So the question is what do all you guys running top mount turbo manifolds do for intercooler piping for the hot side.

Pictures would be awesome, Ive searched on here a bit and couldn't find much.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Make some to fit your application.

If this is a concern or deal-breaker.. you may not be ready to go to a top-mounted large-frame turbo.

Just food for thought.

 

[sethpatch]

Make some to fit your application.

If this is a concern or deal-breaker.. you may not be ready to go to a top-mounted large-frame turbo.

Just food for thought.

Im just trying to get ideas on how to run mine, its not a deal breaker or anything like that. My intercooler kit will fit my application perfectly, I just want a good foundation to start on. I havr browsed on here for a while and haven't seen alot of pictures of the hot side piping for a top mount setup.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Depending on your radiator setup and compressor housing outlet (straight vs elbow) you may be able to clock the compressor and pass it between the turbo and radiator or just run it straight down and then take a 90* turn under the manifold towards the driver side if you can get it past the downpipe.

 

[sethpatch]

Depending on your radiator setup and compressor housing outlet (straight vs elbow) you may be able to clock the compressor and pass it between the turbo and radiator or just run it straight down and then take a 90* turn under the manifold towards the driver side if you can get it past the downpipe.

Im gonna run a afco radiator thats 21.5" x 13" and 3" thick on my core support where my ac condenser is supposed to be. I ended up just ordering the ets core and gonna make my own stainless pipes. I dont think i will be able to clock my compressor much so i probably will go at a 45 degree angle from the turbo down to the bottom driver side corner of the core support where the intercooler inlet is.

 

[spoolin ddub]

I can tell you what it will come down to. What size piping will you be running?

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[sethpatch]

I can tell you what it will come down to. What size piping will you be running?

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Your setup looks good.

I thought about running 3" stainless but the ets race intercooler has 2.5" inletband outlet. I might just run 3" anyway

Heres the intercooler i bought, i didnt get the piping because it wouldn't fit my application right.

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I thought about just running piping right out of the compressor housing without the holset factory elbow because their 100$ used.


What I cant decide on is the hot side really. I don't know if I should run the piping straight down to the core support height and the have a 90 degree going towards the driver side then some straight pipe to another 90 degree into the intercooler.
Like this, excuse the bad drawing:

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My second idea was to run a 45 degree piece of piping out of the compressor and then some straight pipe and then a 90 degree pipe going into the intercooler.
Like this, excuse the drawing:

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[11Banger]

Well you are going are probably going to have to relocation your ALT & possible delete the A/C in your car.

 

[sethpatch]

Well you are going are probably going to have to relocation your ALT & possible delete the A/C in your car.

The A/C was removed a long time ago, and I will be using a jay racing alternator relocation kit with a saturn high output alternator.

Heres the pile of parts I have ready for it so far. Walbro 450lph fuel pump, megan racing 3" cat-back, afco racing radiator with -16an lines, solid front and rear sunframe bushings, holset hx40 freshly rebuilt, cx racing battery relocation kit with stainless box, my ecm link speed density conversion kit, synapse bov.

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Im waiting on my jmf divided t4 turbo manifold to come in, my twin 40mm synapse waste gates will be coming with it.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

What's with the necked down exhaust piece front and center?

 

[T is for TURBO]

I believe it's for use with a stock down pipe and catalytic converter.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

How many top-mounted T4 footprint turbos do you know of that can use the stock downpipe.. and even if they could why would you make it breathe through a straw?

 

[T is for TURBO]

None. I think it just comes with the cat back when you buy it. The one to the left is the one he'll end up using.

 

[11Banger]

Or you could go with a top mount manifold like this....Nothing crazy just a simple manifold.

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[sethpatch]

What's with the necked down exhaust piece front and center?

Came with the exhaust, i just threw it over there.

I believe it's for use with a stock down pipe and catalytic converter.

you are correct

How many top-mounted T4 footprint turbos do you know of that can use the stock downpipe.. and even if they could why would you make it breathe through a straw?

Not this guy. My friend welds for a living and were making a custom 4" downpipe that will bolt up to the megan catback but I will have. A 4" electric cutout with exhaust going out the front bumper also.

None. I think it just comes with the cat back when you buy it. The one to the left is the one he'll end up using.

It did come with it, no I will not use it.

Or you could go with a top mount manifold like this....Nothing crazy just a simple manifold.

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That looks "interesting". I actually planned on making a manifold but I decided to trust a proven company.


So anyway back on track. Does anyone have pictures of their hotside piping, so I can figure out what my options are. I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

None. I think it just comes with the cat back when you buy it. The one to the left is the one he'll end up using.

I find it very hard to believe that Landspeed is that thick.
Pretty sure he knew exactly where that part came from, what it is used for. He was just trying to get at the guy. He practices being condescending.
At least he knows a shit-tonne about the topic.

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http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/152053667-post1.html
Some nice images - though not holset specific.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f256/smokey18328/IMG00182-20100323-2132.jpg <-- evo doing the straight down and 90 thing.
I had a real nice shot of some ic piping for a top mount but I'm trying to find it again.

I see a lot of people trying to go straight down using 90* couplers and such, like landspeed mentioned. I wonder though, is there a measurable benefit to lessening the angle and going with something closer to the OP's second drawing?
As far as your specific case, OP, you'll probably just have to mock up a few ideas and figure out which works best.

 

[11Banger]

Making a manifold that works would be rewarding. I personally love the look of JMF manifolds, but for 1,400 ordering a manifold from them is a tough choice.

 

[T is for TURBO]

He practices being condescending.

On the Interwebs?! No way!

 

[PieEyedPiper]

On the Interwebs?! No way!

Haha! I'll have to admit, I'm often amused by it.
Not always, but often.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Haha! I'll have to admit, I'm often amused by it.
Not always, but often.

It's not always intentional Comes out better in person.. at least thats what I tell myself!

Maybe it comes from too much time with the clowns over at YB. That place requires skin thick enough to deflect AA rounds.

 

[sethpatch]

I find it very hard to believe that Landspeed is that thick.
Pretty sure he knew exactly where that part came from, what it is used for. He was just trying to get at the guy. He practices being condescending.
At least he knows a shit-tonne about the topic.

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http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/152053667-post1.html
Some nice images - though not holset specific.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f256/smokey18328/IMG00182-20100323-2132.jpg <-- evo doing the straight down and 90 thing.
I had a real nice shot of some ic piping for a top mount but I'm trying to find it again.

I see a lot of people trying to go straight down using 90* couplers and such, like landspeed mentioned. I wonder though, is there a measurable benefit to lessening the angle and going with something closer to the OP's second drawing?
As far as your specific case, OP, you'll probably just have to mock up a few ideas and figure out which works best.

My compressor housing is a down firing one. From the factory they have a 90 degree elbow that clamps to the compressor housing using a vband, but they 100$. I think im gonna try the second one with some aluminum piping i have laying around and if i like it, buy me some stainless.

Making a manifold that works would be rewarding. I personally love the look of JMF manifolds, but for 1,400 ordering a manifold from them is a tough choice.

Their manifolds are actually on sale for around 1100$ if I'm not mistaken. Your right about the rewarding part, but its a proven manifold and in the end I'm happy,ay have cost me alot more but it will last.

On the Interwebs?! No way!

Nevah .

Haha! I'll have to admit, I'm often amused by it.
Not always, but often.

It is quite entertaining.

It's not always intentional Comes out better in person.. at least thats what I tell myself!

Maybe it comes from too much time with the clowns over at YB. That place requires skin thick enough to deflect AA rounds.

Trust me as long as your not on here being a complete jackass your not gonna bug me, I can handle sarcasm, I work at a tattoo shop as a second job amd there you gotta have tough skin.