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pneumo

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Oct 19, 2002
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Last night I managed to bang the gears fast enough to slam my Talon into the 11's with a 14B turbo, stock sidemount IC, stock 450 injectors, and stock IC piping! This is a continuation of a thread I started last June titled 'So Close!' http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232147
<Click on my time to see the new timeslip<

I had a feeling there was still room for improvement from last time since I had severe misfires during my last trip. The plugs were shot from running leaded gas too long. During testing the fresh plugs had a much stronger pull, especially on the top end, so I was optimistic. :thumb: I also lubed the shift cables and adjusted them to help me get through the gears more quickly and cleanly. Then I took out another 5 psi from the tires and upped the boost to 22 psi.

I originally planned to meet up with some friends at Infineon, but they were closed, even though the schedule on their website said they were open. So I decided to go to Sacramento Raceway. It's only two hours farther away in 105 degree heat with no AC. :cool:

The first run was a 12.5@110 using only 100 octane, I missed 3rd gear, intake air temps were up in the 140's. The tank was nearly empty, so I stopped off at the gas trailer and got 3.5 gallons of Sunoco 116, leaned out the SAFC by 5%, removed the headlight, and checked the logs.

The second run was 12.292@ 113.611mph. A nice improvement, but there was a big jump in knock starting at 6k in 4th gear. I noticed there was a little blip of knock that started around 6K in all gears. It also did this on one of my runs at Infineon, too. I also noticed that the injectors were at 98-99% duty cycle at this point, so I retuned the SAFC a little to get around it, and hoped for the best.

I honestly didn't think I'd be able to drive the car into the 11's that day. The heat was severe, I was fatigued from a long drive in a race car with stiff suspension, no AC and a booming exhaust, and things were generally not going my way all day. Not until the last run anyway.

For my 3rd run I put a 12.1 dial-in on my windshield. Airtemps were cooling off at 85 degrees. I raised the stutterbox to 6k rpm. Track prep was spotty as usual for Wednesday Fun Drags. I could see bare concrete where everyone launched and wore away the VHT. So I did something different. Instead of lining up in the center of the lane like everybody else, I lined up a couple feet off center so my tires were rolling in the sticky VHT. I guess it worked, because I was able to hook up on a 6k stutter launch. Then I nailed the 1>2 shift quick enough to turn on the windsheild wipers, jammed the 2>3 shift hard enough to turn them on again, then flicked into 4th at 6400rpm. I crossed the line at 6500 rpm in 4th gear and watched for the signal light to see who won. The light came on in the other lane. Figures. :toobad:

The lady at the booth hands me the yellow loosers copy, the slip reads 11.980 @ 114.926mph ! I broke out! OMG
 
WHAT, I thought they were closed?

dude, if you had answered your phone, I would have actually come down there with you.... damn, so did you drive up to infineon then down to sac? or what?
 
You suck! I've been trying for 11's all year but the weather is not cooperating and I think my bottom end has finally had enough. Anyway, that is very impressive with stock injectors and sidemount :thumb: nice job
 
tstkl said:
WHAT, I thought they were closed?

dude, if you had answered your phone, I would have actually come down there with you.... damn, so did you drive up to infineon then down to sac? or what?

I left before you called, so I didn't get your message. Yeah, I drove to Infineon first, then to Sacto. It was a spur of the moment decision. and a long drive!
 
DevilSperm said:
You suck! I've been trying for 11's all year but the weather is not cooperating and I think my bottom end has finally had enough. Anyway, that is very impressive with stock injectors and sidemount :thumb: nice job
yeah, dave can drive like none other. It might also help that he tunes his car to the edge of its life in every aspect possible, and it weighs so little.

but Im going to go with his driving, since he can't be making THAT much power on a basically completely stock set up minus a few things.... what is it, 2g maf, 3 inch shorty exhaust, and a built bottom end, with super duper unknown cams...

Now hes in the top 10 on dsmtimes.org or whatever.
 
I never line up in the groove. It works wonders for the AWD launch. We will see how the now FWD turbo mirage does though.

Steven
 
I knew he would do it,... I mean he hit a 12.06 then the next week he hit a 12.049 in 115 degree weather.

I'm always tempted to just give him my keys to see how bad of a driver I really am....

He thinks everyone will call him stupid for this, but I say he puts the fmic, smim, g45 tb, and all the other junk he has on, EXCEPT the gt35r, and see what time he can pull off with a 14b. I see him making 11.5 easy on that set up,.... no heat soaking a super small smic, leaner afr's with a cooler intake temps (what did you say, 140!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!), and a very unrestricted, very well researched intake system with basically no restrictions whatsoever. You would need a j-pipe though, wouldn't you?

10's or bust on the 14b....

(and just imagine what he will get out of this car once he slaps on the gt35r... if the car hooks up, I think he could hit super, SUPER low times.)

we should start a "buy dave drag slicks" fund raiser.
 
LOL, great job.

I too would like to see this car go with a FULL set of mods except the turbo. I mean even maybe a DSMLink. You could have some REAL fun then!! :)
 
dave doesn't need dsmlink, he burns his own chips and is 500 times more in depth about his chips than he could get with dsmlink
 
Great job, +1 for the "super tuner" of the year award, nicely done :thumb: . How often do you guys hit the track? and isn't it mostly Sears Point (Infineon:) )when you run?
 
DevilSperm said:
Yeah, that's what ALL my friends tell me. :)
diambo4life said:
75DA helps, too.
I'm not familiar with that, what's 75DA?
CanadianTSi said:
That is an insane MPH for all that stock stuff. Congrats
Thanks! It's all in the timing. See my other post for details. I thought if I could keep making power higher up in the rpm range, then I could stay in a lower gear longer and get more power to the ground. So I focused on timing above 6k rpms and raised my shift points. It seems to work OK.

So you guys want me to keep the 14B on? I really want to install the GT35 that's been sitting here all summer. Please? :) OK maybe I'll do a few runs with all the mods except the big turbo, tubular ex. manifold, external wastegate, and tubular O2 housing. That means I'll have a sheetmetal intake manifold, big FMIC with 3" piping, Q45 throttle body, FP2 cams, FIC 1000cc injectors, and what turbo again? Dam, I already have a J pipe, too!

Honestly, I need to check out the tranny first. On the drive home it was making different noises. I have a feeling (I hope) a bearing on the input shaft is wearing down from all the hard, wheel spinning launches I've done over the past year. I'll have to look into it no matter what path I take next, so I won't be out at the track again anytime soon. Besides, my ears are still ringing from driving all day with the shorty exhaust WTF

A drag radial fund sounds great, but then I'll also need a 'fix the tranny' fund, followed by a 'fix the axles' and 'fix the driveshaft and Tcase' fund. I'll settle for a 'buy me some earplugs!' fund :)
 
tstkl said:
dave doesn't need dsmlink, he burns his own chips and is 500 times more in depth about his chips than he could get with dsmlink
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but DSMLink is really good, too. I'm sure if I had DSMLink I could duplicate the timing and fuel settings needed to go just as fast. I'd probably miss the little things that make the car so much more driveable on a daily basis though.

BoostDemon, yes we usually go to Sears Point, aka Infineon.
 
hott damn dave, i read brian and your posts in the infineon thread and figured id have to wait till next week to hear about an 11....

CONGRATS on the #2 spot for awd 14b man!!!
i knew you had it in you!

Now lets see how much boost will fall off with the new setup! haha
 
Congrats Dave! Now that's what I call getting the most from your setup. Bolt that big boy on and run us some 10's!

Andy
 
pneumo said:
I'm sure if I had DSMLink I could duplicate the timing a fuel settings needed to go just as fast.
On second thought, I'm not sure if DSMLink could duplicate some ot the code I'm using to eliminate knock during a shift. Has anyone seen knock jump up just as you shift gears? I did. It kills the power through the rest of the gear. So I installed a couple features to eliminate it while still leaving the knock code fully active the instant the shift is done. One part comes from Jeff O. of KeydiverChips. It was originally part of his Lean Burn Code, but I snipped out a section. His code basically resets knock to zero when NLTS is active. The second part is a feature in the timing map that I developed. It keeps timing at the same level during a shift instead of spiking up. I'm not sure if you could do that with DSMlink?
 
They probably could, but they haven't. If you don't mind, I would like to reccomend that to Tom and Dave as a feature. They have the 1g version where the knock counter gets reset during your shift, but not what you have. Let me know if it's ok that I do that.
 
Thats awsome. Frustrates the hell out of me not getting even into the 12's, but still very cool. Those 1g's are just way faster then 2g's. I'm going to get one, screw the 2g...
 
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