track wheels...17x9 +45..GTFO

[unlmtdndeavor]

so i have been following the threads about wheel fitments and had previously decided on 17x9 +28 work emotion cr kai according to what a few others suggested. my goal was to fit 255's all around with no rubbing. people complain all day about 17x8 +38 evo wheels barely fitting...but i decided to try on some wheels anyways. well my buddy had a set of 17x9 +45 sitting around...i didn't expect them to fit...but to my surprise, they bolted on and barely rubbed. this got me thinking of how i could fit them.

1. i needed to modify the rear trailing arm. the part that was rubbing was the pinch weld. i searched around and saw that people have ground them down before, so i set off to do the same. i was able to remove about 4mm.

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2. up next was the front. i run a ground control/koni yellow setup. this left the stock spring perches all in the way. rather than getting a full coilover setup, i decided to just trim the perch off.

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NOW ON TO THE WHEEL!!!!!

what did i decide to go with? i decided that if i was going to spend the money, get something light. my first choice were some te37's...something light...but a bit out of my budget. then i remembered a good alternative...Enkei RPF-1.

specs: 17x9 +45. silver finish. 15.9lbs x Falken Azenis RT-615 255/40/17

want to see pics now? not so fast...after trying them on again..i decided that a +40 would be the best, but enkei did not make this size. they have actually discontinued the +45 now as well. i went and grabbed a set of 5mm spacers for both the front and the rear.

both the front and rear has about 2mm of clearance before the spacers. effectively the car now has 7mm of clearance with the suspension both front and rear.

i guess i should post up some pics now huh

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The wheels were mounted last night and these were the only pics i got before it got dark. I since lowered both the front and rear. I will post pics of it as soon as I get a chance to shoot the car tomorrow. The rear tucks fine but i need camber plates for the front, which sits at about 0* camber with the eibach camber bolts in. no fender rolling necessary and NO RUBBING!!!

i hope this helps people trying to find the right offset to tuck 17x9's with 255's.

 

[aaronmatusz]

This is too cool, very nice little writeup...
Buy what you're saying, the 5zigen 17x9 (43mm offset) would probably be OK without spacers.

You're gonna weld that rear trailing arm seam back together, right!?!

 

[gixrman]

Very nice, glad you explained it out instead of saying heres my car with 255's on it. I had read on here someone else running a 255/45/17 with a 35 offset.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

couple of degrees up front and that will sit awesome! I love those wheels btw, definitely some of my favorites and adding 615's to the mix just makes it that much better.

 

[jtmcinder]

From what I can see, all you need to do now is swap the front and rear camber values and you'd be golden.

- Jtoby

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

From what I can see, all you need to do now is swap the front and rear camber values and you'd be golden.

- Jtoby

HAHA yeah..no kidding. I have an ingalls rear kit and the eibach front eccentric bolts. I just need to adjust the rear. They bolts don't do very much for the front. I was thinking about -2.5* in the front and -1.5* in the rear. Give the car a little help in oversteering

 

[Ludachris]

Very nice. Those are the wheels I almost got instead of the TDs. I love the way they look (even more than the TDs). Let me know if you find them rubbing when running at the road course or at full steering lock.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

Chris,

I have cornered fairly hard with them and have no problems with rubbing at all. Full lock is not a problem either. I think I may have figured out the PERFECT fitment for the 1g dsms. The grip is SOO much better now compared to the 225 RA-1's that i had before.

 

[Phil1320]

The car does look great with the RP's. There is one major problem with 9" width with that offset, okay two if you count having to grind the rear trailing arms. The problem is the scrub radius of the front tires. That is why the 27mm offset of the Team Dynamics wheel is 100% correct in the 9" width. So, while the +45 works it is not optimal by any means, especially with a 255 tire. Just my .02.

Phil

 

[Ludachris]

Sorry if I sound like a noob...but what is scrub radius.

I guess my intentions were to see how much wheel and tire I could tuck under the stock fenders. Maybe I put this in the wrong thread, I just figured with all the wide wheel/fender flares stuff people may be interested.

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"Scrub radius is the distance between where the Steering Axis Inclination (line through the strut) intersects the ground and the center of the tire. This distance must be exactly the same from side to side or the vehicle will pull strongly at all speeds. While included angle problems will affect the scrub radius, it is not the only thing that will affect it. Different wheels or tires from side to side will cause differences in scrub radius as well as a tire that is low on air. Positive scrub radius is when the tire contact patch is outside of the SAI pivot, while negative scrub radius is when the contact patch is inboard of the SAI pivot (front wheel drive vehicles usually have negative scrub radius).

If the brake on one front wheel is not working, with positive scrub radius, stepping on the brake will cause the steering wheel to try to rip out of your hand. Negative scrub radius will minimize that effect.

Scrub radius is designed at the factory and is not adjustable. If you have a vehicle that is pulling even though the alignment is correct, look for something that will affect scrub radius."


Phil brings up the point that moving the center line of the wheel over with that offset will change the scrub radius of the suspension and it will likely have negative affects on handling. That's why the Team Dynamics wheels were determined to have the perfect offset for our cars. Not just because they don't rub or because they allow fitment of big brake calipers, but because the offset positions the wheel close to where the factory designed it to be for the suspension geometry of our cars. Correct me if I'm wrong though, Phil

 

[Dodgeme1313]

I have a 90 talon awd and I have read a lot about people using 17x9's with offsets like 37, 40, and 45 that work. Right now I have an 18x8 with a ET35 and my wheel is about 3/4 of an inch outside of the fender in the front and a 1/2 inch in the back. If my numbers are correct, for me to run a 17x9 the offset would have to be at least 60 to clear the fender not to mention the suspension. Did the clearances change with the body style in 92 or is there a difference between mitsubishi and eagle? I can't figure it out and any info would be helpful.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

I have a 90 talon awd and I have read a lot about people using 17x9's with offsets like 37, 40, and 45 that work. Right now I have an 18x8 with a ET35 and my wheel is about 3/4 of an inch outside of the fender in the front and a 1/2 inch in the back. If my numbers are correct, for me to run a 17x9 the offset would have to be at least 60 to clear the fender not to mention the suspension. Did the clearances change with the body style in 92 or is there a difference between mitsubishi and eagle? I can't figure it out and any info would be helpful.

looking again at my setup...i have determined that a +37mm offset in the rear is good if you want to keep them tucked under the stock fenders. for the front..the +45 works.

the clearances did not change. the setup i have is the highest offset you can run if you want to tuck. or as i'd rather call it...flush. the best thing to do is just try wheels on.

p.s...i don't believe that the 18x8 should stick out that much. what size are your tires

 

[Dodgeme1313]

I am running 225/40/18 all around. I got the measurement by placing a level flush against the outside of the wheel, then measured the distance from the edge of the level to the inside of the fender (which is already rolled). I have even considered that the manufacturer might have stamped the incorrect offset into the inside of the rim but when I measured it from the center it was 35mm on the dot. I have not lowered the car yet so I'm not sure how much the tire will camber in. I'm stumped!WTF

 

[Ludachris]

I have a 90 talon awd and I have read a lot about people using 17x9's with offsets like 37, 40, and 45 that work. Right now I have an 18x8 with a ET35 and my wheel is about 3/4 of an inch outside of the fender in the front and a 1/2 inch in the back. If my numbers are correct, for me to run a 17x9 the offset would have to be at least 60 to clear the fender not to mention the suspension. Did the clearances change with the body style in 92 or is there a difference between mitsubishi and eagle? I can't figure it out and any info would be helpful.

Read my last post (the one just before yours) - you'll see that there's more to it than just having them fit. The suspension geometry has to be considered as well when choosing the right offset. I guess if you're not worried about handling then it doesn't matter. But if you are you should really do some reading on suspension setups to learn more.

 

[Zero Bar]

Looks good. I'm even more excited about the 5Zigen's Chris posted about after reading this thread!!!

Honestly, isn't it great the manufacturers are finally coming out with some good wheels in offsets and widths that we can use??? I love the fact thy finally realize the WWD cars and cars with similiar offsets want wider wheels!!

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

Looks good. I'm even more excited about the 5Zigen's Chris posted about after reading this thread!!!

Honestly, isn't it great the manufacturers are finally coming out with some good wheels in offsets and widths that we can use??? I love the fact thy finally realize the WWD cars and cars with similiar offsets want wider wheels!!

manufacturers have been making wheels that fit for years, people are just too cheap to spend the money on nice wheels. everyone wants good offsets for super cheap prices. boo knock off rims

 

[SeanJhn9]

looks awesome!

i'm running the same wheels, kinda 17x9 +35, on my evo and i LOVE them, i'm looking to get either a 1g or a galant VR4 and try to autox that and let the evo rest for awhile, i was wondering if some 275's would fit under a 1G, ### if so i can just take the set from the evo and be ready to rock, here's a pic to whore my car out

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[unlmtdndeavor]

275's will not fit under the fenders. as you can see above, i already had to do a bit of work just to clear 255's. what i really want is a custom set in the SBC finish

 

[underradar92]

Have a picture with 1g & 27mm offset? I'd like to see it.

One of Chris' car and one of mine. Chris's is the white one.

Fwiw, they don't seem to "tuck" but at least in my case, (really stiff springs) it doesn't ever rub unless I hit a midcorner bump so bad that the car literally gets serious air. Even then, I have to be trying to do so, and then it's only the drivers-side front.

Your results may vary.

 

[underradar92]

^^^

dude, you gotta lmk where you got those! those look f'in AWESOME i do need to buy new daily wheels as i sold my stock ones!

so PLEASE, lmk!

PM or e-mail Mitch (Suparata) about ordering another batch. Here is the whole story: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230885 I can't say on the forums how much they cost, but I think they were a great deal.

 

[underradar92]

My R compounds will be bigger.

 

[Ravenous]

underradar, Did you roll your rear fenders? If so would you mind taking a close up pic to give a better idea of the difference it made?

 

[underradar92]

underradar, Did you roll your rear fenders? If so would you mind taking a close up pic to give a better idea of the difference it made?

It's more like I bent them, not in a good way. Do not use my hacknique. I may have to go even further if I get 275's.

I'm sure it can be done attractively, I just don't have a lot of patience with bodywork on a car that I'm sure will end up in a tire wall, or worse.

 

[mavisky]

For the record, here's 275/40-17's with no body mods on a 17x9" wheel with a +24mm offset.

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[mavisky]

Mavisky, I would love to see a low rear end shot of your car. The car looks mean as all get out from the front, I imagine the back is just as intimidating.

The rear is pretty tame since there's no diffuse yet and the exhaust is a side exit. I don't have a straight on from the rear shot. Here's the front on view with the flares and a view from the rear 3/4.

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