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[Black_Bullet]

My 2 cents...

Dsm can be known to break, but as mentioned before any 15 yr old turbocharged car WILL break and need maintenance... Some cars are maintained better than others so it varies on whether your going to be fixing a lot or smooth sailing depending on past owner. I know a lot of hack job tuners and dsm owners where all I can say is how id hate to be the next owner of the car... Some ppl just dont respect their cars though but thats another story.
Ppl who make dsms unreliable and say there junk after they break are usually the ones who

1. )have a bad tune, lack power so turn the boost up further while not fixing what was making it slow
2.) drop the clutch when they launch at high rpms while running different sized tires on a awd car
3.) Install a safc or some tuning system with no knowledge on tuning and just go adjusting shit
4.) Run big turbos without supporting mods
5.) Dont change their oil or fluids properly or on time and use cheap stuff.

etc etc etc...
People yap on about how reliable hondas are, but say if the honda engineers wouldve strapped a turbo and a all wheel drive system up to their cars 15-20 years ago would they still be saying how reliable they are now??? ( Especially the way honda tuners drive... )

Heres a saying that generally never fails,

Cheap, reliable, fast...Pick two (suffer the other)....
Cheap and reliable wont be fast/
cheap and fast wont be reliable/
reliable and fast wont be cheap... Get me.

My take on dsms, you have the fastest car you couldve bought that will take you into the 11s and lower for under 10 thousand dollars ( Short of a fbody )
I believe the 4g63 is the BEST and most powerful 4 cylinder ever mass produced; easily 450whp capable on stock internals... Theres no sleeving blocks here....
Also dsms might not have the greatest awd system in the world, but they are 7 second capable thanks to john shephard... Look in the dyno sheets and drag times and see just how many super fast dsms there are... You wont see hondas going that fast...
Youll have plenty of sti, s2000 and 350z ppl want to bash you as well for a dsm...
But your not paying over 30k for the car either and modded, a dsm has a higher potiential of going faster than both of those cars for less than half the cost . So most ppl will only be able to justify a nicer looking car.

Do proper maintence, and do everything right the first time and learn to do most work yourself and it will be a fast project car thats relatively cheap compared to modding something else; that will also last you and give you fun times.


http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q/
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gtupgrades
www.vfaq.com
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=racing
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55410
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=modelguide
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gsuspension


And after a few launches, theres no looking back to fwd ...

AWD- All we'll drive...!

 

[No Mo STi]

Actually, its funny you bring up Subaru. No offence to anyone on DSMtuners.com but when i owned my STi, I had never seen a nicer group of car lovers then the Subaru owners group. They were by far the most respectful forum I've ever belong to. They knew they weren't the fastest car out there and at one point someone brought up a DSM. The best response was "Yea its faster then me, but in the end they're still driving a rusty DSM and I'm driving an $33,000 doller fast car."

 

[Black_Bullet]

My dsm isnt rusty .
I have restored mines at least...

Funny you say that because me and my friend were on the iwsti board the other day
and a sti owner was argueing how much better/ faster stis are than dsms and did not believe me when i told him dsms have made over 500whp stock block, and over 1000whp on build blocks and ran faster than 8 sec 1/4s as he was going on about how he smokes 20g eclipses blah blah... And i asked him what he ran in his subaru he said high 12s and i was like WTF and told him i run low 12s on pump gas trapping between 110-115 on a mildly modded 16g laser, and that a well set up 20g eclipse should easly be mid 11s. and he pretty much was saying i was lying.... So i think the cockyness that some dsmers get comes from the constant opposition from other car owners who arent in the know.
Anyways I like stis though, i love riding around in my friends, the exhaust note is impressive and the ej25 produces lot of low end torque. I wasnt directly comparing the cars but I was just trying to find some examples, but you seem to know some stuff already so maybe that wasnt nessecary. Good luck with your dsm.

 

[gsxAWDdsm692]

The best response was "Yea its faster then me, but in the end they're still driving a rusty DSM and I'm driving an $33,000 doller fast car."

Whoever has the faster car wins at the track.

They cry about their car not being faster then make excuses because they are going to be making payments on the car for the next few years.

 

[Black_Bullet]

Thats what i ment by this

But your not paying over 30k for the car either and modded, a dsm has a higher potiential of going faster than both of those cars for less than half the cost . So most ppl will only be able to justify a nicer looking car.

 

[lazer1985]

welcome to the dsm community

 

[MountainDew]

Get a big ass turbo and dsmlink it with stutterbox. You'll never look at your Honda again when you can get out of the hole faster then most v8s.

 

[BoostFrenzy]

Second, the reason that DSMs get so much negative hype is because of the irresponsible morons who have too much money and not enough knowledge. They think dumping $10k into a 18 year old vehicle, with no maintanence, will get them sub 10 second timeslips.

Get a big ass turbo and dsmlink it with stutterbox

Hmmm...see a resemblance?

Not hating on you MD. I think the same way.

 

[MountainDew]

Hmmm...see a resemblance?

Not hating on you MD. I think the same way.

Haha I was just messin around. I know theres a lot more to it then that. I've done my homework and if I decide to go big on my car I know the routes.

Just saying once you have those two things it's amazing. Wish I had em.. hell wish I had a car that would start up!

 

[lenny 15]

My 2 cents...

AWD- All we'll drive...!

Haha, my new signature!

Anyways, first thing to do would be change All fluids, (brake fluid, tranny fluid, clutch fluid, motor oil, power steering fluid...) check the belts for cracking. I wouldn't go cheap with the timing belt, go with either an OEM belt, or a high quality racing belt. and if you have any oil leaks, fix them.

 

[Jst4Cyl]

First off, welcome to DSMtuners! Second, the reason that DSMs get so much negative hype is because of the irresponsible morons who have too much money and not enough knowledge. They think dumping $10k into a 18 year old vehicle, with no maintanence, will get them sub 10 second timeslips. If you treat your DSM with respect and do the proper maintanence there is no limit what kind of times you can turn in. GOOD LUCK!

I believe you are referring to people with new cars... Most guys with DSM's are people that DON'T have an a$$load of money and who are looking for a car the responds very well to simple mods...

And honestly I believe you could build a 10 sec car with $10k...I hope to be in the mid 11's and only have $5k INCLUDING the car price and this is including parts that I could have done without

I will agree with you if it would have read "Morons don't have any knowledge and dump $10k in a body kit, wing and 24'' spinners and it expect it to run 10's yo!"

 

[BoostFrenzy]

I hope to be in the mid 11's and only have $5k INCLUDING the car price and this is including parts that I could have done without

Well thats because you have the money AND you know what you are doing.

"Knowledge is power". Not in our word, here it's "Knowledge=Power"

Well I think the OP has gotten the gist of how the DSM world works. Take care of the car and it will take care of you (in the non mafia way). And don't try and do too much stuff you don't know about all at once (But hey, if you do that's what we are here for ).

 

[Talesin]

Picked a good year to start with, Richie. If it's a late-model you have the chance of getting the most-desired '6/4' setup... six-bolt engine, four bolt rear. None of the electrical stupidity that came with the '90s either.

Personal recommendation is that you start out with ALL your maintenence, and keep a logbook, followed by lightening the car, then move on to suspension/handling, followed by the power++ paths in the Tech section of our fine site. Lighter the car is, the better it'll handle and respond down the road to more hp output... you'll really FEEL those extra horses. Getting the battery into the trunk also makes a noticeable difference in handling... car likes to take turns quicker, and hold sharper lines. VFAQ.com is truly your friend.

 

[Jst4Cyl]

In a neighboring city, 5 minutes down the road, the new craze is DSMs. Its a bunch of rich kids who will spend an extra 5k on a vehicle if its turbocharged. That is what I based my statement off of. Daddy has way to much money ya know! Trust me Im aware that most dont have a ton of cash! AKA me!

I hear ya on the money part, my car has been in the garage for about a year or so

 

[sillyme]

i was in the honda camp as well. but learned quickly the advantage of a turbo AWD car. yea, they are on the heavy side but it's so much cheaper than a honda to make fast.

 

[awdmonster1904]

i was in the honda camp as well. but learned quickly the advantage of a turbo AWD car. yea, they are on the heavy side but it's so much cheaper than a honda to make fast.

plus you dont have to worry about your dsm getting stolen, like honda they get stolen all the time !

 

[TearsForTalon]

A common thing you`ll hear from DSM drivers:

By far the worst car I`ve ever owned...but still my favorite.

Welcome to the addiction, man. Welcome to the suck.

 

[92AndAHalf]

Any car you drive hard is bound to break eventually. There's more strain on a Turbocharged vehicle. Neither of my 1G's have ever left me at the side of the road, or had any kind of catastrophic failure.

It's all in how you treat your car. So treat that DSM right and it will last you for years!

I've had my current 92 AWD since 2001, and it's had it's share of replacement parts, but as it approaches 400,000kms (it's at 387,000 right now), I can't say that I've driven any other car that's been this good to me.

I wouldn't trade my DSM for the world!

Proof is attached.

 

[a_flint87]

Any car you drive hard is bound to break eventually. There's more strain on a Turbocharged vehicle. Neither of my 1G's have ever left me at the side of the road, or had any kind of catastrophic failure.

It's all in how you treat your car. So treat that DSM right and it will last you for years!

I've had my current 92 AWD since 2001, and it's had it's share of replacement parts, but as it approaches 400,000kms (it's at 387,000 right now), I can't say that I've driven any other car that's been this good to me.

I wouldn't trade my DSM for the world!

Proof is attached.

WOW, that tattoo made my day! Better than my buddies tattoo of a piston/rod on his forearm!