Shimmed pivot ball causing disengagement issues?

[Stainbox12]

Im wondering, if a shimmed pivot ball, can cause disengagement issues, because i press the pedal, it enganges, but when i release it, it kinda slips, and a noise comes from the tranny. I also noticed that when the pedal is released, and im underneath the car, i can press the clutch fork towards the slave cylinder with my hand. Is this normal?

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

You shouldn't be able to push on the fork at all. There should be enough pressure to keep it from moving.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

You shouldn't be able to push on the fork at all. There should be enough pressure to keep it from moving.

Are you sure about that?
I can definitely recall being able to manipulate my fork - problem is I can't be sure when I last did it..it may have been when the car was down for a clutch job. I'm positive though, broken or not, I was able to push the fork towards the slave and I think that is normal. However, if you can push your fork to the passenger side with anything less than 10 men I'd say you have issues.

Can anyone confirm any of this? Thanks.

 

[Stainbox12]

Yea, if its normal, that would be one less problem to worry about. My car has been parked for more than 3 months, and im still trying to figure out this problem with engangement and disengagement issues. Whenever i ask questions, regarding this problem, it seems i don't get much answers, and some info is innacurate. Like im the only one that has experienced this problem with dsm's and there's no real answer rather than trashing the car.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

May be because I have no accumulator and all stainless steel line from master to slave.

 

[Portilla]

By shimming the pivot ball it brings the clutch fork closer to the slave rod which allows for more room to disengage hence more pedal adjustment. Look at the opening in the bell housing where the clutch fork comes out. The clutch fork should be protruding the bell housing on the side of the bell housing "window" closer to the slave cylinder. In other words, if your looking at the square opening of the bell housing the fork should protrude on the half of that square opening closer to the slave. If its not, something is wrong inside the bell housing ie. bad fork, clutch... otherwise the problem is in the other direction. Let me know how you make out.

 

[Morphius]

You shouldn't be able to push on the fork at all. There should be enough pressure to keep it from moving.

Sorry, you have it wrong. If you can't push the fork toward the slave, then you've got issues and the pedal in the car is MISADJUSTED.

To the first poster, your car is fine.

 

[Stainbox12]

Thanks a lot. I figured out the problem.

 

[sirweazel]

I have a 93 talon TSI 186k miles, with a cheap pos Advance Auto (Parts America) clutch in it (do not recommend for AWD no matter how broke you are, unless you run stock boost and never launch above 1500 RPM). This is the 3rd different clutch I've had in there, and I've always had a problem where the clutch barely disengages, including original stock clutch. This clutch has 30k or so miles on it now, and its getting to where it doesn't fully disengage, and this is worse when the car gets warm. I've even cut the padding out of the floor to get max throw with the clutch, and backed the stopper out at the top. The rod on the master is adjusted all the way. I've replaced the tab on the linkage, and there is no slack at all anymore here (did that 60k miles ago). My fork tab at the slave is about 1cm off center towards the engine (away from the slave) I also replaced the rubber flex section of the clutch hydro hose 10k miles ago when it started leaking, and bled the system. Clutch master and slave were replaced 60k miles ago as well.
Is this a case of needing to replace the clutch fork and ball, or at least shim the clutch fork and ball? The current fork was in the "35-50k mile" JDM galant trans I put in 30k miles ago. I plan to put my CFDF back in, since it was the best for shifting I've used, in addition to having great grip. Does this fork/ball shimming apply to all DSMs or is it just a 2nd gen thing? Thanks for infos.