97 talon auto - reliable tranny?

[psiboost]

Hey guys -

I am looking to pick up a 97 Talon w/100,000 miles on the auto trans. I currently have a 1G Eclipse w/115,000 miles and the auto tranny is having issues with OD.

So my question is - how much of a difference is the 97 Talon tranny from a 93 Eclipse Tranny? When they redesigned the car - did they completely overhaul the trans or is it pretty much the same? How much longer on average should I expect the Talon trans to hold up for w/out any problems such as no OD?

Thanks!

 

[Indyxc]

I haven't had much experience with Auto 2Gs, but from what I've read over the years, in general *stock* auto DSM trannies don't do too well when adding power. Usually the OD clutch packs will stop working, followed by the rest.

With that said, autos become fairly relaible once you have the AT transmisison modifcations done.

If I were you, I'd stay away from the Auto, and get a 5-spd.

 

[psiboost]

I forgot to mention this car would be used for daily driving - no modifications at all. I have my high HP toy in the garage for the occasional drive

Based on regular driving patterns - can this tranny last another 50k+ if not beaten on?

 

[Indyxc]

Sure it can last to 150K, but that depends on how well it was taken care of, and what condition the transmission currently is in.

Test drive the car, focusing on the transmission.

Do a couple of WOT runs to see how it shifts from upshifts from a standstill. Try driving at a decent speed, and then going WOT and having it downshift to each gear. Try going a moderate speed in 4th gear, and then have it shown shift to the next lowest gear at low rpms.

Try to get it to shift in all situations. With OD on and off, and see how smooth the shifts are. The shifts shouldn't be flared (take a while), and then suddenly engage. Check the fluid as well to make sure it's clean and not burnt.

If for any reason the transmission doesn't seem to be funcitonally properly, obviously the car is not worth it then.

 

[blackbyrd]

from what I've read over the years, in general *stock* auto DSM trannies don't do too well when adding power.

Oh really? Want to tell that to Russ Coxe who's running 9.7 on a primarily STOCK transmission... Do I need to goto the 1/4 mile times and search to pull out all of us Auto's, to end this debate again?

If I were you, I'd stay away from the Auto, and get a 5-spd.

If I were you, I'd stay away from the 5spd, and get an Auto

Haha, Doesn't help at all...

Your O/D Is probably out in your first car, replace it. Cost 75$ from IPT, http://www.ipttrans.com.
W/ +100k miles, you must have to expect to replace old parts.. With any car.. With any transmission.

A lot of people will claim the 2g Auto is better then the 1g, it's debatable. Russ Coxe's was on a 95GSX, I think.
It all depends on how that transmission and car was taken care of in it's life to gauge the remainder. Do test drive the trans really good, and inspect to fluid for discoloring/burning.


EDIT: Psiboost, I didn't realize it was you. What happened in your old thread, did you get to go over that checklist more, and read your TCU codes? Or have you given up on that car?

 

[Indyxc]

Oh really? Want to tell that to Russ Coxe who's running 9.7 on a primarily STOCK transmission... Do I need to goto the 1/4 mile times and search to pull out all of us Auto's, to end this debate again?


If I were you, I'd stay away from the 5spd, and get an Auto

Haha, Doesn't help at all...

Your O/D Is probably out in your first car, replace it. Cost 75$ from IPT, http://www.ipttrans.com.
W/ +100k miles, you must have to expect to replace old parts.. With any car.. With any transmission.

A lot of people will claim the 2g Auto is better then the 1g, it's debatable. Russ Coxe's was on a 95GSX, I think.
It all depends on how that transmission and car was taken care of in it's life to gauge the remainder. Do test drive the trans really good, and inspect to fluid for discoloring/burning.


EDIT: Psiboost, I didn't realize it was you. What happened in your old thread, did you get to go over that checklist more, and read your TCU codes? Or have you given up on that car?

There was no debate. I didn't say PRIMARLY stock, I said stock. There is a difference. And like I said, once you add a couple modifcations they are reliable. Do a clutch upgrade, valve body, and shift kit, and you are good to go.

I've had the experience of 2 AT dsms, once some mods were done, the transmission started acting up.

Second, sure the auto car be made fast. Show me where I said otherwise.

Only thing I said is I'd stay away form the auto. I've owned An AT dsm, then converted it to a 5-spd, and now own another 5-spd.

The 5-spd is a lot more fun, and faster out of the box.

 

[blackbyrd]

There is no debate.. I'll have to look up what exactly he had done, if anything, but it was considered stock. I'm sure we could find pleanty of "stock auto's" with high times.. That was all in regard to: in general *stock* auto DSM trannies don't do too well when adding power..
What about manuals? It really doesnt matter, it's off topic.
I can't tell you every single difference between the two transmission like originally asked, but the rebuild kits and other parts are the same between the two for the most part. I've heard a couple good things about the 2g that people preferred, one being the locking up torque converter.
The decisions up to you, but you can't really compare autos to manuals as far as reliability, and do it with some sort of mathematical backing.
If it comes down to a personal preference, then its all on you.
Let us know how it goes, and get back to the thread for your old car!
Good Luck

 

[psiboost]

Blast from the past - I'll post in my other thread as well, but just to let you know I replaced the pack and it did not help the issue. Decided to use the 1G as my beater car with no OD...sucks up more gas but don't want to dump more $ into it. It's up to 122K and somewhat holding up.

BTW - stock power driving the car, never had this one modded.

 

[red2talon]

I forgot to mention this car would be used for daily driving - no modifications at all. I have my high HP toy in the garage for the occasional drive

Based on regular driving patterns - can this tranny last another 50k+ if not beaten on?

my 96 tsi awd auto has 150k on original trans and motor and i like to get into it. i only have turbo back exhaust fp mani, and hard intake though. but it works great. shifts slow racing wise though

 

[nek]

I thought I read somewhere the the 2g auto were actually stronger then the manual. Mines still holding up no problem. 102k

 

[jrohner]

Stock auto DSM transmissions are fine with power as long as you up the pressure so they shift firm. You can do this in a chip for the TCU, a manual shift box, shift kit, or you can mod it with two relays and a couple other parts.

 

[TunaTalon]

Holey four year old threads.

My 1G Auto Talon went 120K on the stock tranny with no problems.
My 2G Auto Talon went 183K on the stock tranny with no problems.
Both the 1G and the 2G saw WOT up shifts at 7K RPM every day.

With the stroker project the tranny was rebuilt with IPT kit and billet high stall TC and show no problems so far.

Both cars were treated to fresh ATF every 40K miles.

Both Talons were DD in heavy traffic with a highway sprint from and to Dittmer every day. Now the 98 Talon serves this olde retired tuner as a fun occasional driver. Fun is in the seat of the pants of the driver.