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07-19-2012, 10:53 AM
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Car: 1997 Talon TSi Spyder
From: ColoradoSprings, Colorado
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oil pump priming/ cam lube
Ok, I've read though a few threads on priming my engine since I should be reassembling it this weekend (finally). I understand how to do the priming and everything, engine will be out of the car still while I'm doing this. From what I've read, this looks to be the easier way anyway. First off, for the drill to rotate everything, am I just gonna be attaching a socket to the drill and spinning the oil sprocket? If so, the oil will still flow up to the head without the crank and cams rotating right? Lastly, how much oil should I be putting in to do the priming? Just a couple quarts or what?
I picked up some assembly fluid last night so I can lube my cams. It's the moly graphite kind. Am I just supposed to smear it over the cams and all the cam caps? Anything else in the head need this lube?
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'97 Talon TSi Spyder (AWD coming soon)
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07-19-2012, 11:03 AM
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From: Nampa, Idaho
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I take the sending unit out, get a squirt bottle to fill with oil and a length of vinyl tubing that will fit in the sending unit hole.
This fills up the pump cavity to prime the pump and also fills the filter. Then thread back in the sending unit. When you hit the key, it's a very quick oil pressure buildup.
But you can also get a fitting that are the same threads of the sending unit so you can actually pump oil into the same, plus it sends oil thorugh the galleys, bearing mains, and up to the head. Thus your motor is almost oiled up (just wet the cylinder walls before putting the head on..) before the first crank and the pump will take over doing the pressure.
Good luck - DSM
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07-19-2012, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by spyderdrifter
Ok, I've read though a few threads on priming my engine since I should be reassembling it this weekend (finally). I understand how to do the priming and everything, engine will be out of the car still while I'm doing this. From what I've read, this looks to be the easier way anyway. First off, for the drill to rotate everything, am I just gonna be attaching a socket to the drill and spinning the oil sprocket? If so, the oil will still flow up to the head without the crank and cams rotating right? Lastly, how much oil should I be putting in to do the priming? Just a couple quarts or what?
I picked up some assembly fluid last night so I can lube my cams. It's the moly graphite kind. Am I just supposed to smear it over the cams and all the cam caps? Anything else in the head need this lube?
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Since you are going to do it with the engine still out.... this is what I did and worked great.
Before you install the timing belt... yes use a drill to spin the oil pump sprocket (clockwise) at high speed for about 30 to 60 sec. Take the oil cap off and look inside to see that oil is squirting out from the lifters/rollers on to the cams and your done. The head is the last part of the engine that will receive oil thus when you see the oil coming from rollers, your golden. Remember to have your oil filter in and any oil feed line connected (turbo oil feed) and oil pressure sender and sensor on the oil filter housing. I filled the engine up with oil till it was full.
after all is done, install the timing belt and good luck
Almost forgot, remember to prime the engine once is in the car again before actual/ initial startup.
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07-19-2012, 12:00 PM
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From: Parkville, Maryland
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^ What he said. I would do it with the motor installed as you can hook up all oil connections. If doing it outside of the car, make sure to block off the turbo feed, oil cooler, etc or else oil will squirt out.
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07-19-2012, 01:03 PM
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Car: 1997 Talon TSi Spyder
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Originally Posted by billyt
Since you are going to do it with the engine still out.... this is what I did and worked great.
Before you install the timing belt... yes use a drill to spin the oil pump sprocket (clockwise) at high speed for about 30 to 60 sec. Take the oil cap off and look inside to see that oil is squirting out from the lifters/rollers on to the cams and your done. The head is the last part of the engine that will receive oil thus when you see the oil coming from rollers, your golden. Remember to have your oil filter in and any oil feed line connected (turbo oil feed) and oil pressure sender and sensor on the oil filter housing. I filled the engine up with oil till it was full.
after all is done, install the timing belt and good luck
Almost forgot, remember to prime the engine once is in the car again before actual/ initial startup.
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Also, I should be filling the oil pump itself with the assembly fluid right? I think I read that somewhere or saw a picture of it.
Sounds like a good plan. By full, you so mean just the normal running amount that is supposed to be in it right.. i.e. 4-5 quarts. I couldn't imagine you meaning another kind of full, but anything is possible.
TSITurbo95, wouldn't all the oil lines be hooked up even if the engine is out of the car? I don't recall ever removing such a line from anywhere else.
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'97 Talon TSi Spyder (AWD coming soon)
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07-22-2012, 10:57 AM
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Also, I should be filling the oil pump itself with the assembly fluid right? I think I read that somewhere or saw a picture of it.
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I used petroleum jelly (aka vaseline)
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07-22-2012, 12:23 PM
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For the oil pump yes pack it with petroleum jelly ... I also packed it with assembly lube lol
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