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We found the limit/weak link of a stock 4G63.

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biglady112

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We found the limit/weak link of a stock 4G63. It is the pistons. They don't seem to like 61lbs/min. At least not for much more than about 750 miles. I was really suprised the motor last as long as it did at this level. We knew it would go. Just not when or how. This was kinda worse than we thought would happen, but definitely not the way we thought the little motor that could would go.

No hurt feelings over the deal though. The motor did not cost me anything, as it came with the car. Jake gave me a piston and I slapped her back together. It saw somewhere just over 3000 miles with no less than 400whp the entire time. I easily made a seasons worth of pulls on the car. Put it through the kind of punishment a lot of cars won't take. I guesstimate somewhere around 150 full boogie pulls were made with the car since october. Probably more. Went through a lot of 114 octane and like 20 tanks fulls of E85.

The good news is E85 rocks. The motor was spotless when we tore it down today. No carbon anywhere, not even on the combustion side of the head. The tune seemed to be spot on. No indications other than it just seemed to be the #4 pistons time. There were zero detonation marks or pits anywhere. The pistons came from who know where and had who knows how many miles on them. Last time I saw them they were really really grimmy.

So the weak link came to be the pistons in my particular motor. We guess with the E85 and higher boost, she was somewhere near 510-515whp. Not bad for a stock 2G head and stock junked out 6 bolt bottom end. So 61lbs/min and 500whp. She won't last long at those numbers. Just think if I were to have put a great head, cams and intake on there what the carnage would have been. We would like to have said an easy 75+whp was left to be found.

Mods, if this belongs in another subforum, be my guest.

Now onto the carnage.

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I think too many people underestimate E85. It's cheap, smells good (well better than running rich on 93), and gets rid of knock. All good alternatives IMO.
 
Yea I would run E85, if it was available to the public here. Only government access here. Why the gov gotta go and regulate all the good stuff, first mary jane, now e85?!? haha jk.

As for your motor, you did put it through hell, and for it to run as long as it did in those conditions, not too bad at all.
 
You've just got to tune it right. I've been puching 30psi on mine with no problems both on pump and E85.

yeah it really is all in the tune and just using it smart. i was running rich with my 14b, 450s, and auto ecu over a year ago. i started using e85 and it leaned it out enough that i ran a whole second better at the track with no knock at 18 psi. this was on a bad knock sensor too. i was really taking my chances running like that with the stock fuel system and no tuning but it worked.

i've wisened up since then though. i'm not running it until i at least get my fuel pump and safc now.
 
SCM6176 @ 39psi. Verified through a AEM 5 bar map sensor and properly dialed in GM MAF. This motor never saw less that 27psi for the 3500 miles it was running. It was a junk yard motor. It would still be running if I didn't get greedy and turn the boost to rediculous levels.

Steven
 
lets see the link to the fullsize pics. can't see much detail when theyre only an inch tall.
 
Wish I had better pictures. We pitched the block before I looked at the pictures. My roommate has a tendancy(I know of now) to take pictures zoomed all the way out. I do not have any better. I would have snapped more but we went and scrapped the metal for a few bucks.

Steven
 
Atleast now i know i have a problem elsewhere and a 2g head is capable of 61 lb/min!

Thats ridiculous on a stock motor....was the head ported at all...what tb were you using?
 
Stock head casting. Just gasket matched on the intake to a 1G port by me. And the exhaust ports were gasket matched to a Evo 8 4 layer gasket. I am using a custom 3" sleeved non-turbo throttle body. It was built by Hal Landry. The throttle body still uses a stock throttle plate.

The turbo was flowing that air. As read by the MAF. But, the motor didn't really seem to like it much. It did surge slightly if you rolled into it from a low rpm or low boost. It only surged for about 300-500 or so rpms. But, it did that on a very well ported and built 2G head with a eagle/ross combo on the 2G the turbo came off. It surged on that car in the same rpm range at similar boost levels. Then we attributed that to the small E cover. My motor was just one big bottleneck. The 2G used a 1G intake at the time as well.

We will see what the little turbo that could will do soon on a 2.4l, 10:1, magnus intake, FP3x 4G64 that is bored .060" over.

E85 FTW.

Steven
 
Blitzeclips said:
E85- This is the 10% Ethanol blend, correct?

The 10% ethanol blend is what is commonly referred to as "Premium" gasoline in most places.
 
You should see what is coming out of the garage soon.

Steven
 
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