RMDSM Rear sway bar

[nackers]

I am going to purchase the RM front and rear sway bar, but I only want the front. I emailed RM to see if we could do this through them (each send money and they send the bars), but they can't. Whoever wants the rear will have to send me the money and as soon as I get the bars, I will send the rear one out. The price is $300 for the set plus $25 shipping. The other buyer will have to send me $162.50 (half the shipping and half the price for the bars), then since they are actually helping me out, I'll send the bar for no cost from me to them. I will buy the bars as soon as I get a check from the other buyer. Please, only serious takers on this and have the money in hand. IM me or email me at [email protected] and we will work out the details. I want to do this ASAP so like I said, have the money in hand. By the way, if your car didn't come with a rear sway bar, then you have to buy additional parts to put it on. Mach V sells the parts for 160 bucks. Also, if you have a AWD model, this sway bar will not work.

 

[cait sith]

1) No for sale ads here, braniac.

2) Not putting on a beefier rear swaybar on a FWD and a new one on the front will make the car handle worse.

 

[2-0turbo]

Yeah, I have to agree with Cait here. Do you know what you are doing? Going stiffer on the front without the rear is going to give you MAJOR understeer. You think it handles bad now? (I assume you do because you are spending money on it) It will handle much worse. I have REAR bar for my 1G AWD and am very pleased.

Maybe if you explain your logic, we won't think you such a stump... (it is doubtful at this point, but worth a shot).

 

[nackers]

First off I would just like to say thank you for *assuming* we don't already have rear bar on there... thanks a lot, but no we do not have one on there. I just think that it is a little shitty of you guys to just start telling me shit when you don't know what we have done to the car. Now that that is out of the way, I did forget to say 2 things about this:

1. This is my girlfriends car and I have repeatedly tried to tell her that she should save up and get both bars becasue the rear bar does most of the work but she is 18 years old, paying off her car, paying insurance, and paying for her mods (pretty good considering she works at McDonalds).

2. My friend broke the front one while helping me put on her shocks and coilovers so the car doesn't handel like it should.

... I am sorry that I put this thread here cause I didn't know if I should put it in the for sale or groupbuys or what so I figured since this is suspension related it would be ok to put it here. Hopefully this clears up a few things.

 

[Phenom]

Originally posted by nackers


1. This is my girlfriends car and I have repeatedly tried to tell her that she should save up and get both bars because the rear bar does most of the work but she is 18 years old, paying off her car, paying insurance, and paying for her mods (pretty good considering she works at McDonalds).

2. My friend broke the front one while helping me put on her shocks and coilovers so the car doesn't handel like it should.

... I am sorry that I put this thread here cause I didn't know if I should put it in the for sale or groupbuys or what so I figured since this is suspension related it would be ok to put it here. Hopefully this clears up a few things.

It has nothing to do with the rear bar doing MORE work.

Its simple

If you put a bigger (stiffer front bar) on the front of your car its going to cause the front to stay FLAT through turns. In turn this will force the rear to roll thereby forcing the front to "PUSH" through the turn. So since you said the car doesn't "Handle like it should" then getting a STIFFER front bar is going to make it handle worse then it does now. Also A stiff Front bar is going to cause you to spin your inner front tire upon exiting a turn (or even exonerating on a free way offramp). This is due to the cars lack of LSD.

How do you break a sway bar? you friend Bent it? At any rate you are better off telling your girlfriend to get a STOCK one if she is only going to do the front. I'm sure you can find a stock one for next to nothing. Then she can save up and get BOTH bars

LOTS of the FWD Big time road racing/Auto X run no FRONT BAR at all. This is to keep the front loose and rear stiff. It will allow you to rotate the car allot better and transfer some of that horrible weight distribution to the rear.

If I was in your exact situation I would just get a stock front for dirt cheap for now until she can afford both.

Best of luck

 

[nackers]

Originally posted by Phenom



It has nothing to do with the rear bar doing MORE work.

LOTS of the Big time road racing/Auto X run no FRONT BAR at all. This is to keep the front loose and rear stiff. It will allow you to rotate the car allot better and transfer some of that horrible weight distribution to the rear.

Best of luck

Dude I hate to tell you but you just totally said the opposite thing there and I said the exact same thing without the big words *it does most the work*. Thank you for the *best of luck* cause with people like you "helping", I'm gonna need it. Plus, why the hell do you care what were doing to OUR car? I just wanted to know if anyone wanted a rear sway bar and now I have people explaining aspects of the sway bar. Oh and BTW, were not getting the RM anymore and I'm going to try and have this thread deleted.

 

[Phenom]

Originally posted by nackers


Dude I hate to tell you but you just totally said the opposite thing there and I said the exact same thing without the big words *it does most the work*

NO

Front and rear bars do the same amount of work, One keeps the front flat (along with other stuff), one keeps the rear flat (along with other stuff)

I fail to see how the rear does MOST of the work, Hmm well maybe it does most of the work for OVERSTEER and the front does most of the work for UNDERSTEER.

Well whatever, I was just trying to help, no need to get your diapers dirty.

 

[Phenom]

Originally posted by nackers


big words

I used big words?

 

[nackers]

You know if you really read what you posted you would see what I am talking about. You said that isn't about the rear sway bar doing most of the work. Then later you say that Auto Xers don't even have a front bar. Now with my basic understanding, if you don't have a front bar doesn't that mean that the rear is doing all the work ?

 

[nackers]

I do see what you are saying about the front and rear working together and all, but if you read like my 2nd or 3rd post you will see why we only want the front. Also if this helps any, this car will never see any tracks of any sort cause this is not my car. It is being built for a daily driver and won't be pushed too hard. The front sway bar is broken cause when we thought we had to take it off, we couldn't get it off so my friend took a dremel and starting hacking while we took my car to go get food. When we got back we saw that the bar was hardly connected at all and I couldn't put the bolt back on because since he hacked at it, I probably would have broke it and then the bar would be just hanging off the car (obviously if it got to be like that we would just take it off). Now, just drop it.

 

[Phenom]

Originally posted by nackers
You know if you really read what you posted you would see what I am talking about. You said that isn't about the rear sway bar doing most of the work. Then later you say that Auto Xers don't even have a front bar. Now with my basic understanding, if you don't have a front bar doesn't that mean that the rear is doing all the work ?

Ok let me reiterate

First of all FWD autoXers/road racers remove there front bar (or run a very small one) to PROMOTE more OVERSTEER. So umm well the rear bar actually does more work if you are looking to get OVERSTEER. Neither of the bars do more work, they both do an equal amount of work. Sure one might be bigger then the other and do more work, but this could be either front or back.

If you want more understeer one way is to increase the size of the front bar. Most people who do this are people with RWD cars that are weighted bad (Read: Mustang) So in this case the FRONT BAR would uhh kinda be doing MORE WORK. It would certainly take more LOAD and PRELOAD.

If you want more OVERSTEER then you can run a bigger REAR bar. FWD cars will benefit allot from a bigger rear bar by taking off some of the front load. So If you have a bigger bar in the rear then yea sure its doing MOST of the work.

You get what im saying now?

Do what you want to your car. The only reason I decided to say anything in this post was because you said "the car isn't handling right" and you wanted to put on a stiffer front bar? Your car will handle worse if you do this.

Once again good luck.

 

[nackers]

Once again, I understand what your saying about the sway bars, but if you would just open your ####ing eyes you would see why the car isn't handeling right. Here maybe this will help...THE FRONT SWAY BAR IS HARDLY HELD ONTO THE CAR (aka - broken)!!! Now do you see what I am saying? We want a better front one now, and later we will get a back one (much later). There is no point in wasting time and money on a stock one if its just gonna be out of there in a couple weeks. I appreciate you giving me the run down on how the sway bars work, because my previous knowledge about them was all they did was keep the car flat in turns and I had no idea that they effected understeer and oversteer, but that has nothing to do with the reason we only wanted the front one... Do you remember what that reason was now? I'm sorry if this all seems like I am a bad guy or something. I would like to talk to you without using the post cause we are wasting space. AIM me at Nackersaccent.