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Steering an lines.


Hey every one so I'm in the process of replacing my power steering rack,
And I would like to remove the old hard/ rubber power steering lines from rack to reservoir and pump, I have not found much info on this but I did find this fittings that look like they could work.
I'm just trying to get some opinions and some more info.


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There is some info in my build blog on what I did with mine. I didn't go with AN fittings, but I did build new lines and rerouted them.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/blog...d-part-10.html

I don't have sources for the actual pressure fittings since a local shop crimped them onto the new lines, but it may give you some ideas.


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Yeah I seen yours, it looks good my idea was to go with an fittings and run the
Under the frame from rack to reservoir and not from the top.
Any ideas and help is welcom thank you calan
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Rack fittings thread pitch
This info is from Paul
14mm -1.5
16mm -1.5

Might want to talk to Andrew about the res for the power steering . I think he made one thats nice ana a bolt in affair.

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hey guys im almost all set up with lines and stuff to do everything an as i start doing ill be posting up pics.
i was wondering if any one knows the right size for a banjo fitting so i could replace this line,Click image for larger version

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so i could have a braded line connect to it with a banjo fitting.
3/8 BANJO TO -4 MALE only $6.79 - AN to Banjo Fitting
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Aren't an fittings too weak for power steering applications?


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Can you post up everything you used once you are done. I would appreciate it!
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ill post up a list off everything, i havent got the stuff at my house yet but its orderd.
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-6 to M14 X 1.5 male o-ring-tip steel

-6 High Pressure Teflon Hose
Hard-core race hose for hard-core racers. JDA'S TFE racing hose uses an extruded Teflon® core with an outer stainless steel braid for strength. It's made for use with race brake, transmission, clutch, gauge, and nitrous oxide systems. With a temperature range of -100 to 450 degrees F, and a maximum pressure rating of 3,000 psi, it can handle any plumbing job safely and securely.

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i have not order this hose ends yet as im not sure wich way i will be routing them

i just need a banjo fitting for the power steering pump
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and everything should look like this
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you can find everything here
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and then ill be running the lines like this, also this abs lines are no longer there as i have the abs delet kit from stm.
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Really anxious to see how this turns out. I have my motor out and would like to do this also.
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I used JIC fitting instead AN fittings.I fabbed SS hose to the cooler, tank, pump and steering rack.I have some photos in my gallery
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I'm thinking about using this as my reservoir
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I used JIC fitting instead AN fittings.I fabbed SS hose to the cooler, tank, pump and steering rack.I have some photos in my gallery
Those look REALLY nice. Whered you get those?
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Those look REALLY nice. Whered you get those?
I bought the hose and JIC fittings at the local CAT dealer in Durango Colorado
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Is the hose a braided hose or nylon like the Russell black series?
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Is the hose a braided hose or nylon like the Russell black series?
The hose is industrial 3000lbs black steel braided hose
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The hose is industrial 3000lbs black steel braided hose
Super clean man! Good job. Im heavily thinking about doing every line in braided and nylon hose.

Is this difference between the jic and an lines just the pitch of the thread? They look the same to me.
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Super clean man! Good job. Im heavily thinking about doing every line in braided and nylon hose.

Is this difference between the jic and an lines just the pitch of the thread? They look the same to me.
There is a small difference,check with your parts house.I did the fuel p/s and oil cooler lines with the same hose.I think it looks better than the SS hose look.
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hey guys i have some updates
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this fittings will be going on the power steering rack.
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and this are the lines that will be going from the rack to the pump.

more to come next week.

on the power steering pump, i will be cutting the metal fitting thing that goes on to the pump weld a 6an weld on male bung and then bolt a Teflon hose end and face it down.
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hey every one i hope some of you are still looking forward to this progect
here are some update images.
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Aren't an fittings too weak for power steering applications?
High pressure AN stuff is specifically different. The hose ends are steel instead of aluminum, and they asist sealing with a ferule (for non-crimped ends). Also, the hose is teflon lined.


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any more updates? cant wait to see this set up complete!

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hey guys no updates for now,
im in the process of taking out the sway bar, t case and down pipe so i can swap the power steering rack for the new one.
then ill be mocking up all the lines.
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I used JIC fitting instead AN fittings.I fabbed SS hose to the cooler, tank, pump and steering rack.I have some photos in my gallery
Just to clarify, AN fittings are superior to JIC.

What is the difference between aircraft AN fittings and JIC fittings


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hey guys i have a question regarding the power steering line coming off the rack on to the reservoir.

the line comes from the rack and goes to the passengers light and then routs back to the reservoir.
my question is can i eliminate that big Lupe and just have it coming off the rack straight to the reservoir?

if not.
can i juts run the line coming off the rack the same way as the stock one?
the line im using is braided line so im trying to figure it out if i do have to connect it to the hard line in front of the radiator what will be my options.

any help would be great
thanks

the line in red is the stock one and the green is the one i whant to do
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The line out front is the power steering cooler. You can eliminate it safely.


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The reson for me to do all of this lines is to hide them as much as possible, I'm trying to avoide having to use a cooler.
I just whanted to know for sure it's safe to be removed or if I just replace it with the extended braded line coming off the rack.
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I believe it's safe to remove the power steering cooler. Often people remove it to fit their fmic.

If you're going to autocross or something in that sort. I would probably think otherwise.

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no autocross for me but it will e my dd and weekend track.

hey guys here are some updates nothing big just my new power steering pump

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