Ebay coil overs+tokiko blues...need help on coil over sleeve

[turboglenn]

I got some tokiko blue (non adjustable) shocks and a set of ebay coil overs. I want to use them , and hopefully they work out okay for me. (i've heard ALL the bad storries). My problem is what way do the allen wrench screws in the sleeves face? DO they go to the bottom near the stock spring perch or up towards the dust boot?

They seem to "mis-align" from a lip that's on the shock because the set screws land on the weld right there and tend to want to slide up and off of it, so that way 3 little allen screws would be holding the entire weight fo that corner. Doesn't sound right, but there's no screws long enough to secure it on the dust boot end.

Several sizes of O-rings came with teh kit, but from all my searching i found that most of the time you put one under each sleeve to avoid rattling. DO these screws need to be tight, or are they just "rattle revention" as well? I wouls assume they need to at least hold the sleeve in place. I have also seen an o-ring used where teh sleeve rests on teh spring perch on the shock and has one to stop it from rattling.

THE SPRINGS SEEM WAY TOO SHORT , but maybe it's just the lowering .

the parts are lais out how they were in teh box ( well, only the soring, sleeve and top cap)

also the spanner nut that has teh collar on it for centering the sring would be pointing down if i were to install them with teh set screwes towards the factory perch.

The brand is "pro spec", please look at this pics and give me any advice you can. I've always avoided these types of "coil overs" for lots of reasons, but now is got some and need some help

[tenn-gsx]

Dont do it!!!!!!!! Put a set of thoes on a friends car and had several problems. All of them with things slipping from where they were set.

[drewvr4]

wow those springs do look way too short, someone else chime in but i dont think that will work very well, if at all.

[Timechg]

I bought my car with a set of those installed on it. I was on the interstate and the strut rod broke in half (brand new KYB GR2's) and took out my brand new tire. I think you and your girl might be safer on stock springs.

[turboglenn]

Well, it looks like i'll be the guinea pig and if all else fails, state farm can foot the repair or total it so i can buy a 1 g AWD and slap this motor and management in it and go even faster.

BUt my goal is to get them on the car correct as i can. I need all the help you guys that have hadthem can provide as far as my first few questions.

[tenn-gsx]

Im sorry but my experience with those tells me that the manufacturer needs to be jailed for ripping people off and selling a dangerous product. The spring perch is made of cheap aluminum or pot metal, and only held in place by an oring and 3 hex screws. Not me. Id never put that on my car.

[talonTSIDriver]

Mmm, hard to tell by just looking at them, but I would maybe buy different springs at least. From the looks of it, those springs probably have a very high spring rate otherwise you'd be hitting your bump stops all the time. And i dont think those sturts are going to provide enough dampening for those super high spring rate. May just order some new springs that are longer with a softer spring rate.

[99gst_racer]

Originally Posted by tenn-gsx

The spring perch is made of cheap aluminum or pot metal, and only held in place by an oring and 3 hex screws.

The "perch" is welded onto the strut. The "threaded sleeve" is made of cheap aluminum.


turboglenn - I purchased that exact same coilover kit earlier this year. I only bought it for the threaded sleeves though. DO NOT use those springs. They are junk and will sag or break in no time. Not to mention they are a few inches too short. If you're going to use that kit, buy a set of 7"or 8" Hypercoil springs to use with it.

For my set-up, I didn't use the set screws. I figured they would rattle loose and fall out pretty fast anyway, so I didn't even bother with installing them. Just slide the sleeve over the strut body and let it set on the perch. Then determine which o-ring you need to install between the sleeve and the shock body to keep the sleeve tight. After that, it goes in order the same way you have it laid out.


I ended up not liking this set-up though. I ran it for a week or two and sold it to buy a true coilover set-up (threaded body aluminum shock). I didn't like using this set-up with the OE upper plates and because everything fits together so loose, I was constantly having problems with the upper nut coming loose on the rears, and then I'd hear it "clank" around corners. IMO, this isn't the worst set-up, but also definitely not the best either.

[turboglenn]

99gst_racer, any Idea where i can get those springs you're talking about? This was a christmass gift from my woman and it ruined her day that i didn't think they would work, and it got even worse when i told her the kind of replies i've been getting. Now she's hardly speaking.

I would like to put them on just so she'll be a bit happier, but i can't see the uni-body even being off the ground with these short springs. How bad did yours sit with these springs?

Thanks for all the help everyone.

[99gst_racer]

Originally Posted by turboglenn

99gst_racer, any Idea where i can get those springs you're talking about? This was a christmass gift from my woman and it ruined her day that i didn't think they would work, and it got even worse when i told her the kind of replies i've been getting. Now she's hardly speaking.

I would like to put them on just so she'll be a bit happier, but i can't see the uni-body even being off the ground with these short springs. How bad did yours sit with these springs?

Thanks for all the help everyone.

I never even installed these springs because I knew they would be too short. I bought the kit just for the sleeve assembly.

Call any of Hyperco's dealers to order the springs: Welcome to Hyperco

[turboglenn]

EDIT: Should i order ground controls or just straight eibachs and not even bother? I know the tokikos are good, i just wanted coil overs BAD, so i could weightt the front at the strip and lower it in the summer and raise it for the winter. I'm bummed!

The first thing i thought when opening the box was "damn, these springs seem a little short!"

Also, can you tell me what diameter and what spring rate to order?

[talonTSIDriver]

Originally Posted by turboglenn

EDIT: Should i order ground controls or just straight eibachs and not even bother? I know the tokikos are good, i just wanted coil overs BAD, so i could weightt the front at the strip and lower it in the summer and raise it for the winter. I'm bummed!

The first thing i thought when opening the box was "damn, these springs seem a little short!"

Also, can you tell me what diameter and what spring rate to order?

The eibachs springs even tend to sag after a year or two and lose their spring-rate. Stay with Hypercoil springs, they are proven to be the best!

[99gst_racer]

Originally Posted by turboglenn

what diameter and what spring rate to order?

2.5" diameter, 7" or 8" tall.
Search these forums to figure out what rate will work best for your application. There is a decent amount of spring rate talk here.

I second what talonTSIDriver says about Hyperco/Eibach.

[turboglenn]

Cool, thanks, I guess i'll do some searching nad see if i can find a proper spring rate. I almost want to just put them on to make her happy, but i don't want to end up dead from a roll over because a strut broke either. So that leaeves me wondering if they'd last till i got some hyperco's and if the car would even be off the ground enough to move with those springs. If i do install them i plan on putting the set screws towards the bottom since they tend to actually touch something there. God this is frustrating, nothing worse than telling a loved one that you HAVE to return or can't use what they gave you for christmass when they thought they got you exactly what you wanted

[turboglenn]

Okay, i found this info in one of your posts (99gst_racer). Now my question is. With a full weight , DD car that sees teh strip abotu 1-3 times a year just to see where i'm at, which of the following will give me an aggresive bit of handling on teh streets but not beat me to death? I only want to lower it about 1.75 - 2 inches , or about the same as the car in your avatar. I've heard that 2G cars need to have teh rear stiifeneed a LOT before they sstart to handle well so i was thinking about the H&R or Megan rates in a 7 inch spring from Hyperco ( or would that be too stiff for a DD?). How's that sound as far as a decent setup? or what would you recomend since you've been in my EXACT shoes in this scenario.

Originally Posted by 99gst_racer

95-96 OEM Stock 2G AWD
Front: 265 #
Rear: 162 # (+/- 8)

97-99 OEM Stock 2G AWD
Front: 246 #
Rear: 151 #

H&R (Race spring) (FWD and AWD share the same rates)
2.0"F, 1.75"R lowering
Front: 430 #
Rear: 260 #

H&R (Sport spring)
1.7"F, 1.4"R lowering
They would not disclose spring rates for these. They explained that there are too many variables to accurately use spring rates. I'm assuming these are comparable to the Sprints.

Eibach ProKit
1.3" lowering
Front: 330 #
Rear: 160 #

Suspension Techniques
1.2” lower
Front: 200 #
Rear: 160 #

Megan Racing
2.0" lowering
Front: 335 #
Rear: 250 #

Eibach Sportline
1.7" lowering
Front: 286 #
Rear: 146 #

Intrax
1.8”F, 1.7”R lowering
Front: 249 #
Rear: 143 #

Tein S-Tech
1.3”F, 1.2”R lowering
Front: ? (mixed results)
Rear: ? (mixed results)

Sprint
2.0” or 1.5” lowering (optional)
They would not disclose spring rate information in fear of other manufacturer spin offs. They informed me that they are typically 20-30% stiffer than stock.

[99gst_racer]

Originally Posted by turboglenn

Okay, i found this info in one of your posts (99gst_racer). Now my question is. With a full weight , DD car that sees teh strip abotu 1-3 times a year just to see where i'm at, which of the following will give me an aggresive bit of handling on teh streets but not beat me to death? I only want to lower it about 1.75 - 2 inches , or about the same as the car in your avatar. I've heard that 2G cars need to have teh rear stiifeneed a LOT before they sstart to handle well so i was thinking about the H&R or Megan rates in a 7 inch spring from Hyperco ( or would that be too stiff for a DD?). How's that sound as far as a decent setup? or what would you recomend since you've been in my EXACT shoes in this scenario.

HAHA, I forgot that I posted that info here. It's amazing how much old information you forget you knew, as you keep learning the new stuff.

The spring rate information in the quote above is for lowering springs, not coilover springs. Most of those are rated to be comfortable for a street car. Most people that run coilovers run a higher rate for performance. It's completely up to you as to which rate you choose.

IMO, many lowering springs manufacturers offer lower rates, and sacrifice performance for comfortable ride. I'm not an expert at choosing a perfect rate, and you're really only guessing unless you have printouts of the corner weights of your car. But I would guess that you would want somewhere around a 250# rear and a 350# front.

[turboglenn]

350/250 is what i was thinking as well. So that way it wouldn't be too stiff in the front, but the back would be nearly double stock spring rates giving it the stiffness the rears of these cars supposedly need to handle well.

So what do i need to tell hyperco ( or their distributor) that i'm looking for? I know the springs will have to be shorter than stock since teh aftermarket sleeves put the perch up about 2 1/2 inches higher over the stock location, and do i get a progressive rate or linear?

I'm not too worried about riding like a caddilac, but i don't want to be knocking parts off teh car when hitting bumps either.

[drewvr4]

i just wanted to say that i am proud that no one told him to buy Megan Coilovers