[RESOLVED] Help me beat this Trans Am!!!!! Wisemen welcome

[volkerding95GSX]

So I have a one way rivalry with my wife's cousin. I want to beat him at our local 1/8 miles strip, but I'm not even on his radar.

Here's his car and set up:
2002 Trans Am ws6. Scoggin Dicky short block, forged rods and pistons, ported heads, MS3 cam, NOS wet plate kit with a 200hp shot, 3600 stalll, 578hp/520tq. Best 1/8th mile et is a 6.920 @ 104.62mph

(He beat that GTR by .11 sec)

We raced last year and my best 1/8 mile time was 8.9xx @ 78mph. but I was running a stock 02 housing, stock downpipe, stock SMIC with stock IC piping, stock injectors, stock fuel pump, only 7psi of boost on my small 16g because of fuel cut. The only mods I had at the time was a 1g BOV, FP intake w/ K&N fpik, tubular exhaust manifold, and a HKS catback.

I recently bought a 3" turbo back but I'm having fitment issues (see my thread on that.) My thoughts for additional parts are as followed:

20g turbocharger (unless you think I can run 6's with my 16g)
VRSF or PR FMIC
bigger fuel injectors (thinking 1000cc because I'll have link)
Wally 255 pump
ECMLink V3 (lite or full?)
Cams (no clue yet)
new exhaust manifold (the 20g doesn't bolt up to stock fitment does it?)
What else?


So go ahead and rip my list to pieces and tell me what will really work because I'd rather have dsm guys make fun of me rather than LSX guys make fun of me. I just really want to beat this guy with a 4 cylinder.

NOTE: IF YOU LIVE CLOSE TO MO AND HAVE A FASTER CAR THAN 6.9 I'D LOVE TO SEE *ANY* DSM BEAT HIM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT MINE. Our strip will open up again in a couple of months.

[90tsiawdturbo]

Just keep singing the song

[volkerding95GSX]

, c'mon man! I know you can help me!

If I beat him, I'll write a new song!

[donniekak]

Go look under members at the people's setups that run 10 second 1/4 times. You will need a similar setup.

[ExpresS]

Lol that's a ten second 1/4 mile car. Good luck, you'll need it.

20g is a bolt on mitsu turbo btw.

[volkerding95GSX]

Gotcha, I looked and saw 94TSiAWD ran a 6.5 with a 16g

That's good news

[victor2186]

thats almost a low 10sec car..i had one similiar..he will cut 1.3-6 60ft spraying out the whole..you will need a low 10sec car to beat it..he probly will lift the wheels while doing it

[Boomdeeze]

I hope you have deep pockets, its going to take a lot to build your car to compete with his and not blow up.

[viperlp01]

You need a couple years of expirence before you build a sub 7 sec 1/8th car. Good luck.

[volkerding95GSX]

Originally Posted by Boomdeeze

I hope you have deep pockets, its going to take a lot to build your car to compete with his and not blow up.

If I do it, I'm going to do it right. I just may be 53 years old before it's done that's all. haha

[Misterbeechy]

d-d-d-d-daaamn.. umm .. YOU GOT THIS.. call up STM for a tune after you install link and that 20g

[Mike02rt]

Seems like you should read into this link:
10 sec. goal, steps to that?

And if you're a dirty son of a gun...siphon his fuel so that he runs out mid pass.

[Misterbeechy]

Originally Posted by Mike02rt

Seems like you should read into this link:
10 sec. goal, steps to that?

And if you're a dirty son of a gun...siphon his fuel so that he runs out mid pass.

strap C4 to his nitrous tanks or have someone snipe him from the crowd..

or switch is gas tank with 87 octane hahah lots of knock will stop him!

[DSMReviver]

Looks intimidating and there will be probably shit talking, but it can be done.

16g is gonna need work with high compression and e85 to extract the full potential. with you, you are probably still stock compression? i would suggest investing on a 35r or xh40 and ecmlink v3. Use nos, to help spool/top end.

Then, strip the car off, when you race him(put back later). remove passenger seat, spare tire, etc... The key is lightest possible with good power. with a light car, even if you can't manage to produce the same power as him, the weight will make up the difference. I am guessing the trans am is probably weight 3495-3517 lbs(coupe), 3700lbs with driver. Its not who can make the most horsepower, its who can make his car efficient. like motor(power), car(weight), driver(skills) efficiency.

form reading your post, he(trans am) probably spend more than $6,000 but you can spend much less to beat him im sure.

[volkerding95GSX]

I know this is going to be hard, guys. And expensive. But I have two things going for me:

1. It's only an 1/8 mile track
2. I don't have to beat him next week; I've got my whole life. I just want to see my dsm beat him ONCE. Or any dsm willing to travel to Sikeston, MO on a friday night for that matter.

I also forgot to mention I have a stock tranny, that'll have to go. I know I'm nowhere close to this guy, but think of me as a clean slate. I know my car has the potential to beat him.

The guy who drives the T/A isn't exactly modest, either. Here's his most recent FB post: "The white automobile I own isn't called a car it's called BAFAHTAF aka (bad ass fast as hell trans am FOOL!!!)"

see why I'd like to beat him?

[Misterbeechy]

hahaha joke! so tell him that he could run 5.9 by adding race fuel 87 octane!!! lmaoo

[Eeeeky]

Send him to utah...We'll take care of his V8 syndrome

This is the reason that i have a sticker on my car that says "Thats a nice chevrolet...Im sorry about your little penis"

[volkerding95GSX]

Originally Posted by Eeeeky

Send him to utah...We'll take care of his V8 syndrome

This is the reason that i have a sticker on my car that says "Thats a nice chevrolet...Im sorry about your little penis"

lol, if only Utah was next to MO...

[BigBeans]

OP, i don't think you understand what it's going to take to beat that T/A.

He's making 578whp through a stalled auto, which means he's making about 690hp. To put it in perspective, he's both quicker and faster than a ZR-1 in the 1/8th mile.

Also, your post about it only being an 1/8 mile is comical. You seem to think you have the launch advantage, when in reality, if he's running a stalled auto with slicks and decent suspension, chances are he will match or out-launch you.

He will pull harder down low, there's no getting around it. It would be easier to beat him in 1/4 mile race, as stalled autos don't pull as hard on the back half.

A DSM that runs his 1/8 times is a solid 10.5@135 car. You'll need slicks and 500+whp to even think about playing with that T/A. Forget a 20G, start thinking 35R, dual pumps, 1400cc injectors, big cams/valvetrain, SMIM, very large FMIC, etc.

You'd be better off building a stalled auto DSM if you're looking for performance in the first 1/8 mile.

[Voodoo262]

Originally Posted by BigBeans

Also, your post about it only being an 1/8 mile is comical. You seem to think you have the launch advantage, when in reality, if he's running a stalled auto with slicks and decent suspension, chances are he will match or out-launch you.

He will pull harder down low, there's no getting around it. It would be easier to beat him in 1/4 mile race, as stalled autos don't pull as hard on the back half.

This.

[TSI from Hell]

Sounds like you should look up the forum rules about bench racing... And perhaps learn to walk before you run... etc. Not trying to burst your bubble but you'll need much more seat time and mod's to beat this car. Good luck though.

[907dsm]

This is gonna be epic.. good luck man.

[TSIfreek]

T3 GT35R T3 exhaust manifold, ID 2000 injectors, E85 and a built trany will net you over 500 HP and I would think that would be enough for a low 10 second pass as im sure thats were the TA is at.
I put the TA at 10.50s in the 1/4.

[mindset]

If I wasn't into DSM's or diesel power, I would so have a WS6. Sound amazing.

[BIGBLAZE79]

That is an awsome goal, I truely hope you accomplish it. I think he would start to cry seeing a DSM pass him!

[ceedawg]

Forget it dude unless u plan on spending some real dough on mods. Otherwise it's a waste of time. Listen to Big Bean

[cficare68]

Yeah ditch the 20g ideal. I've got one on my Talon right now, but it is only temporary. Once i rebuild the tranny and upgrade the fuel lines to run E85 its out of there. They take to long to spool and your not going to get near enough air flow on a t25 manifold. Since you are talk 1/8th mile then I would look at stroking it and get with higher compression pistons to give you more torque in the bottom end. Also don't forget you gotta be able to tune it. DSM Link, AEM EMS, DIYAuto Tune, or even an 8 Evo ECU, just something. Putting the money your looking at without having an adequate tuning software is a waste of time and money.

[cantgo2fast]

Tell him spray is for wussies, without spray you have a much better chance.

[KentStateTsi]

I like the idea of shutting the F body crowd up but it isn't going to be cheap man. I'm one of the biggest lsx haters out there(only because they make awesome power with bolt ons). 20g is out the window. Ditch the link and get a 98-99 ecu and reflash to SD. Stock block with cams will do it but you'll need something along the lines of a 35r or HTA37. Upwards of 1600cc on E85 and dual pumps. Do it on a budget man. Reflash a stock ecu and search the classifieds for used parts or part outs. A Jacks trans is probably the cheapest rebuild out there for the money. Good luck man. I'm pulling for you. Just research and don't buy the most expensive stuff.

[volkerding95GSX]

Everyone who commented on this post: A big thank you, This has been very helpful! Most of you were right, I did in fact underestimated what it will take.

But I'm still going for it. I'll be using the STM stock 7 bolt as a model.

ARPs, Drop in Cams, Springs, Retainers, Manifold, TiAL 35R Turbo, DSMLink,
E85, shep tranny, slicks, any and all support mods, tune.

How?

I have a five-speed 92 GS-T I'll sell after I put it back together. Hopefully that will pay for the turbo.

I'm a percussion instructor on the side, so I'll start accepting more weekend students for extra cash and then sell all of my extra hardware I never use on ebay. That'll pay for the tranny. (I have a ton of good stuff I've collected the past 10 years)

I have a Mazda RX-8 that I love, but it costs 600+ a month for payments/fuel/maintenance. I'm going to sell that and drive my already paid for beater MX-3 that gets 40 MPG. Without the car payment, that'll be more I can save for everything else over time.

Hopefully I can run mid 6's in less than 2 years. So there. Is that more realistic for ya? THANKS EVERYONE again! I'm going for it!