boosted97gst running 12s with 16G on fwd

[RedTurboEclipse]

couldnt help but notice this
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=12458#Modlist

impressive you broke into 12s with 16g on fwd.. proves we dont need them big turbos..

im sure a lot of the fwd guys would want to know wat tires ur running, etc..

but regardless.. good times..

 

[Golden4g63child]

Yup, got to agree with you on that one. I think with all the supporting mods and with a 16G, you can easily hit 12's, no need for 20G's etc etc. Nice car by the way I want your stock body kit damit but I can't seem to find anybody selling thier stock pieces.

 

[Puckman]

What proves you don't need 20gs? Because you JUST want to run 12s? That's just like saying, why buy a 20g, 16Gs have gotten in the 11s on AWDs. Sure they have gotten there, MAXING out what they can do.

 

[Golden4g63child]

What proves you don't need 20gs? Because you JUST want to run 12s? That's just like saying, why buy a 20g, 16Gs have gotten in the 11s on AWDs. Sure they have gotten there, MAXING out what they can do.

Well, first off, alot of fwd dsmers feel that they need a big a$$ turbo to get into 12's or whatever (20G, L2R, etc). Sure, you can get a 20G or larger turbo but for a fwd car, the times are near identical with people who have 16G's and 20G's (most of the times, there are exceptions ) if you check out dsmtimes.com and or dsmtalk.com times. Im referring to dsmers who think that it is hard to hit 12's with fwd's not faster than 12's. But I see where your coming from, you got a AWD and a 20G

 

[Puckman]

Originally posted by Golden4g63child

But I see where your coming from, you got a AWD and a 20G

Yea, but then again, I also know what I'm talking about. I just bought the AWD a couple months ago, all of my mods (and then some that I had to unfortunately leave behind that couldn't swap to the AWD) came from my old FWD. Maybe you'll see similar ETs in a FWD that's making more power, just like you see 600+ HP Supras running 12s, it's because of traction. Still, those larger turbo/more powerful FWDs are making more power, and trapping higher, and have better top end. Freeway pulls in my 20G FWD were SO fun, and compared to 16G FWD pulls, it's not the same at all. I know what you're saying about not NEEDING to get a larger turbo for 12s, but I highly reccomend getting a larger turbo (and that's speaking from experience).

 

[Golden4g63child]

Yeah I hear ya. By the way, how come you got rid of your FWD? Did you have a 2G fwd or 1G fwd? Just curious.

 

[Puckman]

I had a 1G FWD. I had some big plans for it, but then I got this really god deal on an AWD, and decided to pick it up and move the stuff over to AWD. I really feel it's just an all around better choice, and there is a lot of reasoning there which I would rathe rnot get into. FWD was great for daily driving, and the freeway stuff was pretty awesome, but traction was always an issue. I was going to go big turbo if I didn't go AWD.

 

[95talonturbo]

I am going for a 12.9 when I go to the track this spring with my big16g. Want to do it on pump gas , but race gas will be used if needed. Definetly will pull low 13s after I get used to launching it on the track. With 245 wide green dot retreads traction shouldnt be too much of an issue, but I'll just have to wait to see when I put them on. Last summer ran at the track once and went 13.5@110 / 2.5 60'(no launch). Have about the same set up in the car except some weight is removed and have a carbon fiber hood and a short shifter. That was on pump gas and 20psi. I am not the greatest driver so 12.9 might be out of reach on pump, but I would definetly like to put a 13.3 or better.

 

[Puckman]

I see no problems with you hititng 12s if you're making that kind of power up top, just get your short times down to the low 2 second range, at least. How do you launch the car?

 

[95talonturbo]

Originally posted by Puckman
I see no problems with you hititng 12s if you're making that kind of power up top, just get your short times down to the low 2 second range, at least. How do you launch the car?

 

[95talonturbo]

Originally posted by Puckman
I see no problems with you hititng 12s if you're making that kind of power up top, just get your short times down to the low 2 second range, at least. How do you launch the car?

I hope to hit 2.1 with practice, maybe a little better like 2.0. With the 225s I would just rev the car from 3-4k and launch anywhere in that range, depends how I feel. Usually 3.5k-4k rpms and let the clutch out as quickly as possible with out spinning tires. My tires werent in great shape but I could still pull off 15-17psi or so with out spinning my tires in first gear, atleast from a roll, havent payed as much attention when im launching it. It should be a lot different with the 245s I am putting on and should be able to launch a lot harder since the tires are wider and are brand new.

 

[taylorspl]

Originally posted by 95talonturbo


I hope to hit 2.1 with practice, maybe a little better like 2.0. With the 225s I would just rev the car from 3-4k and launch anywhere in that range, depends how I feel. Usually 3.5k-4k rpms and let the clutch out as quickly as possible with out spinning tires. My tires werent in great shape but I could still pull off 15-17psi or so with out spinning my tires in first gear, atleast from a roll, havent payed as much attention when im launching it. It should be a lot different with the 245s I am putting on and should be able to launch a lot harder since the tires are wider and are brand new.

LSD!

 

[95talonturbo]

Originally posted by taylorspl



LSD!

Don't feel like spending 1k on LSD right now. People have gotten under 2.0 w/o LSD's so its possible..

 

[taylorspl]

Originally posted by 95talonturbo


Don't feel like spending 1k on LSD right now. People have gotten under 2.0 w/o LSD's so its possible..

And people have run 11's on a 16g...I would love to hear from someone with a fwd and no lsd that consistently runs sub 2.0 60fts.

 

[95talonturbo]

Originally posted by taylorspl


And people have run 11's on a 16g...I would love to hear from someone with a fwd and no lsd that consistently runs sub 2.0 60fts.

Go over to dsmtalk and talk to countersniper I believe his name is. Pulled some 1.8s and consistent 1.9s with out lsd. 235/60/15 bf goodrich comp t/a drag radials I believe. That will be my next tire, although in a 255/50/16..

 

[ILOSE]

Originally posted by 95talonturbo



Go over to dsmtalk and talk to countersniper I believe his name is. Pulled some 1.8s and consistent 1.9s with out lsd. 235/60/15 bf goodrich comp t/a drag radials I believe. That will be my next tire, although in a 255/50/16..

Hey that is me!

It, as said before is just like the 14b in the 11's. There are so many things to consider when giving numbers and trying to achieve certain goals. I for one, started drag racing along time ago. So I have a ton of practice and I can drive pretty good.

I have one bit of advice: COMBINATION! Everyday at the track is different and the only way to get consistent is knowledge and hard numbers. Then with that analysis.

 

[taylorspl]

Originally posted by 95talonturbo



Go over to dsmtalk and talk to countersniper I believe his name is. Pulled some 1.8s and consistent 1.9s with out lsd. 235/60/15 bf goodrich comp t/a drag radials I believe. That will be my next tire, although in a 255/50/16..

I stand corrected...one person has done it.

 

[95talonturbo]

Originally posted by taylorspl


I stand corrected...one person has done it.

It might not be many people, but it can be done.. I do not think 2.0 60' is too unrealistic with out an LSD.. Although sub 2.0 60' would be very difficult. I would like to see how low of a 60' time I can get with out an LSD and see where I stand... I'm not trying to start a controversy, but spending 1k on an LSD is too much for me right now and I am trying to get the best out of my set up... I think my set up is good enough for 2.0 60', so its all up to me now...

 

[Phoenix_RsX]

yeah, I used to be one of those ppl who thought that 12s ets wre impossible with out a 20G/L2R equivalent or higher.....bone stock(no LSD) Iwas able to pull consistent 2.0 60' times.....but the ongoing war about what turbo and blah blah blah has to start with your goal of a 1/4 mi time, and some semblance of intelligence.. one kid around here told me he was runnin 11s with his GS-T.......with the stock T-25????? Oh god.......

anyway, LSDs are very good for FWDs.....but if you can save a few bills with some slicks.....then I'd do that first.

 

[ILOSE]

Originally posted by Phoenix_RsX


anyway, LSDs are very good for FWDs.....but if you can save a few bills with some slicks.....then I'd do that first.

Slicks with an open diff can spell bad news. I wouldn't recommend that.

 

[Phoenix_RsX]

Originally posted by ILOSE


Slicks with an open diff can spell bad news. I wouldn't recommend that.

True....you do have a good point....

 

[larryd]

Im sorry but anyone who thinks running 12s with a 16G in a FWD is going to be easy has another thing coming to them. The power is there for sure but its all about driving. Im not just talking about the launch either, on a FWD thats making 300whp you cant give the car more then 50-60% throttle in 1st or 2nd gear without breaking the tires loose. You really have to learn to control your throttle response through the 1st couple gears and then hope that you have the top end power in 3rd and 4th to make up for babying it off the line.

 

[Phoenix_RsX]

Originally posted by larryd
Im sorry but anyone who thinks running 12s with a 16G in a FWD is going to be easy has another thing coming to them. The power is there for sure but its all about driving. Im not just talking about the launch either, on a FWD thats making 300whp you cant give the car more then 50-60% throttle in 1st or 2nd gear without breaking the tires loose. You really have to learn to control your throttle response through the 1st couple gears and then hope that you have the top end power in 3rd and 4th to make up for babying it off the line.

I couldn't agree more......just think about before we had all of our mods.....how much the T-25, as crappy as it may be, made our GS-Ts spin out uncontrollably. I mean plain bolt ons for good 1/4 mile times are great in theory, no disrepect to our GSX counterparts, but we have to be better drivers than them to achieve that 1/4 mile time.......and if any of you guys are heavy-footed like myself........

 

[95talonturbo]

Originally posted by larryd
Im sorry but anyone who thinks running 12s with a 16G in a FWD is going to be easy has another thing coming to them. The power is there for sure but its all about driving. Im not just talking about the launch either, on a FWD thats making 300whp you cant give the car more then 50-60% throttle in 1st or 2nd gear without breaking the tires loose. You really have to learn to control your throttle response through the 1st couple gears and then hope that you have the top end power in 3rd and 4th to make up for babying it off the line.

It may not be easy, but it is possible. I'm hoping for atleast low 13s on pump gas. As far as traction goes, it is fairly good. I do not get much wheel spin at 17psi in first and can go full throttle in second to 20psi on my big16g. This is in cold weather and no burning out to warm up the tires. You definetly need a good suspension and tires to get there. What has your car run at the track larryd? You are probably getting all that wheel spin because of the wheels and tires you are using.

 

[Phoenix_RsX]

Originally posted by 95talonturbo


It may not be easy, but it is possible. I'm hoping for atleast low 13s on pump gas. As far as traction goes, it is fairly good. I do not get much wheel spin at 17psi in first and can go full throttle in second to 20psi on my big16g. This is in cold weather and no burning out to warm up the tires. You definetly need a good suspension and tires to get there. What has your car run at the track larryd? You are probably getting all that wheel spin because of the wheels and tires you are using.

Aren't you AWD? if so, you just missed the entire point of that comment bro.