DSM 4G63T Shortblock in EVO?

[shockey1013]

I have searched and couldn't find anything via Google. Is the 4G63 in an Evo the same as in a DSM? The reason why I ask, I know someone with an EVO 9 MR that his timing belt broke/oil pump gear shattered and he is trying to sell it to me for 10k. I started to wonder if my short block (1g 7-bolt/Evo 1-3 7 bolt) would accept the head and mount into the Evo engine bay. I know that the MIVEC head requires different oil passages I think. Thanks

 

[goodbuds]

if its in perfect shape minus engine get it. but your engine wont fit and a replacement from over seas is about 2500 you doing the labor... you end up with a 14000 evo not bad.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

I'm pretty sure that it wont fit. It would if it was a Evo 1-3.

 

[Mitch41]

It won't fit at all. Engine isn't even the same orientation?

 

[ColtiXim]

I know someone with an EVO 9 MR that his timing belt broke/oil pump gear shattered

Bend valves for sure !
We have interferential engine...

I'm pretty sure that it wont fit

X2

What's happened with your short bloc ?

 

[shockey1013]

I understand thy te orientation of the engine is not the same. But let's say I took out a dsm short block. Turned it 180 degrees. Lowered it into a bare Evo engine bay. It wouldn't bolt up to the chassis with evo mounting brackets? Would the trans bolt up?

 

[ColtiXim]

If you have $$$$$, everything is possible

 

[bryanwheat]

I understand thy te orientation of the engine is not the same. But let's say I took out a dsm short block. Turned it 180 degrees. Lowered it into a bare Evo engine bay. It wouldn't bolt up to the chassis with evo mounting brackets? Would the trans bolt up?

The bellhousing is slightly different. The 2 upper holes will bolt up, but the 2 lower are slightly different. You would be way better off to just rebuild the engine that is in the car.

 

[rlacasse1]

Off topic, but......


Where are you at in Europe?

 

[shockey1013]

On my other forum someone said the rotating assembly rotates a different way?!?

I'm stationed at Ramstein Germany

 

[bryanwheat]

On my other forum someone said the rotating assembly rotates a different way?!?

I'm stationed at Ramstein Germany

That is incorrect, they both rotate in the same direction.

 

[shockey1013]

That is incorrect, they both rotate in the same direction.

Thanks.

This Evo is a perfect condition. The interior is excellent!!! I don't know what to do ahhhh.

 

[bryanwheat]

Thanks.

This Evo is a perfect condition. The interior is excellent!!! I don't know what to do ahhhh.

Rebuild the engine that is in it. Pretty simple.

 

[ColtiXim]

Thanks.

This Evo is a perfect condition. The interior is excellent!!! I don't know what to do ahhhh.

Sold me your TSI

 

[shockey1013]

Sold me your TSI

You wanna buy the Talon? . I see your in France. Neighbor!

 

[Tiki2777]

There are people (even a damn good thread about it recently here) who have made evo 4-9 heads work on our cars so, realistically there are very few excuses other than small minor issues that the engines won't swap in. I think its mainly the bellhousing bolts and the mounts IIRC. This IS possible people...

But... I'm

 

[shockey1013]

There are people (even a damn good thread about it recently here) who have made evo 4-9 heads work on our cars so, realistically there are very few excuses other than small minor issues that the engines won't swap in. I think its mainly the bellhousing bolts and the mounts IIRC. This IS possible people...

But... I'm

Interesting. I would think its wouldn't be so difficult because they are basically the same 4g63. I think the head (evo9 head) has to be machined a bit. ie. drills water jackets bigger etc etc. As for the transmission I have no idea. Hmmm I know that with the 1g 7 bolt I have, it doesn't have a spot for the 2g trans to bolt up on 1 area already. I think this would need some time, trial and error.

 

[bryanwheat]

You are wasting your time thinking about it, you have a perfectly good engine in the car to work with. The engine is likely still in good condition with just a head rebuild and new oil pump gear.

Here is the difference in bellhousing mount holes.

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[Tiki2777]

Interesting. I would think its wouldn't be so difficult because they are basically the same 4g63. I think the head (evo9 head) has to be machined a bit. ie. drills water jackets bigger etc etc. As for the transmission I have no idea. Hmmm I know that with the 1g 7 bolt I have, it doesn't have a spot for the 2g trans to bolt up on 1 area already. I think this would need some time, trial and error.

I know for a fact that you have to either use the right HG, or just weld some of the extra coolant passages shut in the evo head on a DSM block. I wish i could find that thread i was talking about...
FOUND DIT!!!
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/custom-fabrication/438764-diy-4g63dsm-4g63evo7-hybrid.html

 

[shockey1013]

You are wasting your time thinking about it, you have a perfectly good engine in the car to work with. The engine is likely still in good condition with just a head rebuild and new oil pump gear.

Here is the difference in bellhousing mount holes.

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Damn well thanks for the good picture. Everything makes so much more sense with pictures!!

I know for a fact that you have to either use the right HG, or just weld some of the extra coolant passages shut in the evo head on a DSM block. I wish i could find that thread i was talking about...
FOUND DIT!!!
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/custom-fabrication/438764-diy-4g63dsm-4g63evo7-hybrid.html

Yeah That's how I knew something had to be done with the head. I found that thread earlier. Good write up.

 

[rlacasse1]

On my other forum someone said the rotating assembly rotates a different way?!?

I'm stationed at Ramstein Germany

Hey, me too. Well, I'm deployed here for the next 4 1/2 months.