Is there a t3 flange kit...

[Squint]

Is they any t3 flange kit out there that allows you to mate a garret t3 to the stock manifold.

 

[eXploitedGST]

I THINK! but am not sure.... but i think the T3 will fit right onto a manifold for eclipses. or at least with 1st generation. 1st gen used 4gs and 2gen used t25's. it really depends on what year u have.

 

[TurboSpoolinIns]

what???? the t3 flange will not fit a stock dsm's manifold...u need an adapter plate. HRC makes one or u can make your own if u are talented, or u can buy the manifold

 

[Squint]

eXploitedGST-I do have a 1g manifold and it does not fit. but thanks for your help

TurboSpoolinIns - i did not know that HRC made an adapter. I checked out their site, but did not really see exactly what i wanted, but i emailed them. i appreciate the help

well i hope someone out there figures a way to make a flange adapter to use other turbo's on our stock manifold. it would benefit many others and who ever markets it will become rich.

right now i'm faced with either fabricating a flange on or getting a hks manifold.

 

[BatmanGSX]

www.diamondstarmotorsport.com has what you need to put a T3 on a DSM. Using your stock manifold on a T3 really is stupid in my opinion. You should just get the proper manifold.

 

[Squint]

batmangsx- i appreciate your response and you sharing your knowledge with others that need help. but actually its not really stupid. there is a 90 gsx here in hawaii with a 2g manifold with a custom t3 flange fabricated on to it and runs 10's i believe. i know running a turbonetics or hks manifold is much more efficient, but my goal is to build a 12 sec street car. i'm willing to spend the money to get the better manifold, but since i live in hawaii... shipping costs are a #@%#@%#@%#@%#@%. it would cost me close to 600 to have that manifold at my door. to fabricate my manifold, it would be less than 120. with the extra money i was going to get injectors and a s-afc.
this is the problem that i'm faced with, whether to get the better manifold or not. do i really need it to run 12's? well maybe i can tell you my setup, and you can give me some advice:

-rebuilt garret t3 turbo.. turbine a/r .48, compressor a/r .42 more than likely a 50 trim wheel (not sure), bought turbo from a friend, but it is substanially bigger than stock
-starion fmic
-hks ssq bov
-delta wastegate
-trust tvvc manuel boost controller
-inline fuel pump
-weapon r fuel pressure reg
don't have, but will be stuffing in
-625-660cc injectors, which ever are available at the time of purchase
-s-afc

-and a NOS single fogger wet system for reassurance that i hit 12's

so do you think i need the better manifold to hit 12's without NOS?
I drive a 90 gsx. all responses are appreciated. thanks

 

[CBgst]

I don't know from experience but i would think that your stock mani should be fine for 12's. A lot of the dsm's i see are running stock mani's( ported) and are well into the 12's. Another thing though the stock 2nd gen mani is upgrade for the first gen dsm's. Check dsmtrader.com and you may be able to find a 2nd gen mani for a reasonable price. I,m buying the t3/t4 set up from dsmotorsports for 1775 which includes the mani but if it didn't I would also be using the stock one. I would probably try to find a used 2nd gen mani though hear it's a good upgrade for the 1st gen's good luck

 

[GRNDSM]

I would go a step farther. You can (and many have) run 10's on stock manifold! Most FP Green and Red turbos that are in the 10's are running stock manifolds. Before that, there were some high level Franks that did it as well.

And you can not forget a couple of 20G's that also hit 10's on a stock Mitsu manifold.

What I do not like about it is that you will an extra sealing surface (which can leak). And any leaks before the turbo mean lost HP.

What I like a LOT about stock manifold is that you can use it with factory heat shield and that is something that I can not do with my T3 manifold (and miss it). I am amazed that I have not melted my CF hood so far.

 

[BatmanGSX]

I just think it is totally asinine to bother with a Garret and not change the manifold. What's the point? Why not just get a 20G and use the stock manifold with that? I love stuff like this. It's like getting the biggest turbo on the planet but then only running a 2.5" DP. Totally pointless. Why start a project and do it half assed? Why not just go a different direction that will get your car just as fast but without some lame hack job.

 

[GRNDSM]

Batman,

"Garret" turbos come in many sizes. Just because someone is getting a T3/T4 it does not mean that it is going to be a HUGE turbo requiring a larger manifold.

I happen to think that stock manifold is good for 500-600 hp at the wheels. Will a nicely designed exhaust manifold flow better? Perhaps... But how much better will it be? Until I see some proof, I am not convinced that an aftermarket manifold/header is much better and thus a worthy investment.

I know that Archers claimed ~20-25hp increase with their header, but most people who tried it, could not see any improvement on 11 and 12 sec cars.

There are, however, some MAJOR issues with ALL aftermarket manifolds/headers. One is durability, if you think that stock units are bad for cracking after 5-6 years of use, you should check out just about any of the other units. They are much more prone to cracking!

The other issue is the heat that they release. First if all, they have larger surface area (thus give out more heat), second, they tend to be larger and closer to other things that they can melt, third, they do not have any pre-fabricated heat shields, so you ether have to make something up or wrap them. Not everyone can make a good heat shield and wrapping.... well, it just does not work in a long term.

Anyway, I am not sure if you have tried living with one of those "upgraded" exhaust manifold/headers, but it is a PITA with very little (if any) measurable advantages. So I would suggest staying with a stock manifold whenever possible.

 

[BatmanGSX]

I wasn't trying to imply that the stock manifold would limit his power, though I can see that's what my anology could have been interpreted as. I just think putting a Garret on a stock manifold seems "hacked". First off, if you use some kind of adaptor that adds to the height of the flange and that compressor outlet is going to be a lot closer to the motor mount. Secondly, it's another gasket to leak. If you could find someone to modify the stock manifold, the right way, by cutting the old flange out and welding the new one on cleanly and then use material to smooth the insides... That would be cool. So far I haven't heard of anyone doing anything like that. Let me know if I am wrong, because that does sound like a good idea.

 

[GRNDSM]

>I just think putting a Garret on a stock manifold seems "hacked".

Yes, well. Our “perception” can change in a hurry after we actually try things out… I would have thought the same thing 3 month ago. Now that I have lived with Turbonetics T3 manifold, I am wishing that I had my stock Mitsu manifold…

>First off, if you use some kind of adaptor that adds to the height of the flange

Right, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. That can help you clear the water pipe behind the turbo.

>that compressor outlet is going to be a lot closer to the motor mount.

Turbonetics T3 manifold also lowers the turbo and that makes overall fit better (that is one of the things that I like about it).

>Secondly, it's another gasket to leak.

Right and I believe that I mentioned this as one of the negatives in my first post. You just have to make sure that it doesn’t leak .

>If you could find someone to modify the stock manifold, the right way, by cutting
>the old flange out and welding the new one on cleanly and then use material to smooth
>the insides... That would be cool. So far I haven't heard of anyone doing anything like
>that. Let me know if I am wrong, because that does sound like a good idea.

This is a good idea with one problem. Stock manifold does not like to be welded… Even people who weld-on a small flange for an external WG experience occational problems. Now, imagine what will happen if you have two large pieces of dissimilar metals welded together with a large weld? You will have a very hard time keeping it from cracking…

I know where you are going with this and that is why I like the idea of turbos which are a “bolt-on” to a stock manifold (like FP Red/Green/GT30 or ETE stuff).

 

[Squint]

well the real reason why i want to try to use a fabricated manifold over the turbonetics one is because i want to cut cost down. i purchase my t3 turbine, hks ssq bov, and delta WG all for 500 from a friend, and all the other various turbo stuff was about 200. my 1990 gsx was purchased for 1500. suspension and rims ...kyb agx adjustable struts w/ drop zone springs for 320 and 17in axis ne-o rims with new kumho ecsta supra 712 for 650. exhaust was about 300, it consist of 2.5 DP and 3in piping catback connected to an Apex N1. and i probably spend another 1000 getting my manifold and turbo fabricated on to my car, along with injectors, and a s-afc. thats about a grand total of about 4470 (round up) ...4500 for a kick ass car that will smoke just about any other import. i'm really trying to prove a point about dsm's being the best bang for the buck.

ok ok ... i'll admit it, i once was a honda lover. so my group of friends are all still into honda's . i want to show them that honda are not the only 'fast import' with a low cost. for the cost of my friends turbo kit and supporting mods to his gsr, i can build a complete car that will take it out any day.

as for the fabrication of the manifold, i'm not sure how its going to be done, but i know for sure the person who's doing it for me knows what he is doing.... i think what he's going to do is use the same type of metal as the manifold, weld another flange over the stock one and some how blend the opening (collector) of the stock manifold to the opening of the t3 flange... via grinding or something. this guy that i'm going to, does hella quality work.

but if it all fails, i'm just going to get the turbonetics manifold, and then my costs goes up...total to about 5200

i'm sorry if this post comes out long.
but i will keep it posted on how it comes out, then maybe in the future there could be more turbo options for dsm's

peace all

 

[Squint]

well the real reason why i want to try to use a fabricated manifold over the turbonetics one is because i want to cut cost down. i purchase my t3 turbine, hks ssq bov, and delta WG all for 500 from a friend, and all the other various turbo stuff was about 200. my 1990 gsx was purchased for 1500. suspension and rims ...kyb agx adjustable struts w/ drop zone springs for 320 and 17in axis ne-o rims with new kumho ecsta supra 712 for 650. exhaust was about 300, it consist of 2.5 DP and 3in piping catback connected to an Apex N1. and i probably spend another 1000 getting my manifold and turbo fabricated on to my car, along with injectors, and a s-afc. thats about a grand total of about 4470 (round up) ...4500 for a kick ass car that will smoke just about any other import. i'm really trying to prove a point about dsm's being the best bang for the buck.

ok ok ... i'll admit it, i once was a honda lover. so my group of friends are all still into honda's . i want to show them that honda are not the only 'fast import' with a low cost. for the cost of my friends turbo kit and supporting mods to his gsr, i can build a complete car that will take it out any day.

as for the fabrication of the manifold, i'm not sure how its going to be done, but i know for sure the person who's doing it for me knows what he is doing.... i think what he's going to do is use the same type of metal as the manifold, weld another flange over the stock one and some how blend the opening (collector) of the stock manifold to the opening of the t3 flange... via grinding or something. this guy that i'm going to, does hella quality work.

but if it all fails, i'm just going to get the turbonetics manifold, and then my costs goes up...total to about 5200

i'm sorry if this post comes out long.
but i will keep it posted on how it comes out, then maybe in the future there could be more turbo options for dsm's

peace all