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Synthetic Oil myths. The truth!!!!!

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heavyD

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I may be a newbie to DSM talk but am a seasoned ex-Honda tuner. I find some of the comments about synthetic oil in threads laughable. I have read stuff like "synthetic oil causes leaks", "you need special gaskets for synthetic oil", "synthetic oil eats gaskets".

I work in the oil & gas industry in Canada and can tell you the facts on synthetic oil. Synthetic oil doesn't cause oil leaks, bad sealing gaskets do. If you have this problem sythetic oil will find leaks more than regular oil. Why? Synthetic oil is man made and manufactured to spec. Every oil molecule is identical in size. This gives synthetic superior flow characteristics and is why a 10W30 synthetic oil seems thinner than a conventional 10W30 oil.

Conventional oil is created by natural means by biodegradation of living things/organisms over hundreds of years. The oil molecules are not uniform in size (some large & some small). When you have small imperfections in gasket seals, some of the large oil molecules present will lodge themselves in the crevices causing a seal and preventing the smaller ones to pass through. When you change to synthetic oil, the new oil will eventually displace the molecules of the previously used conventional oil and will flow through the imperfections and you now have leaks. This is not a common problem on new engines but on older engines with dried and cracked gaskets it will be.

Bottom line is that synthetic oil is a superior lubricant but you must ensure that you have no leaks prior to using it. If you have an older engine and would like to use synthetic oil to prolong your engine life, you may have to look into replacing the major gaskets on your engine or stick with conventional oil which really isn't that bad since many now have additives to condition you seals.

I hope this helps clear the myths.
 
very true, once i switch my car over to synthetic at 46000 my valve cover gasket started leaking and luckily that was it and i have been using it ever since for the past 10k
 
Originally posted by heavyD
If you have this problem sythetic oil will find leaks more than regular oil.

In other words, switching to synthetic causes leaks.
 
Originally posted by DrZiplok


No. Switching to synthetic oil will show you the leaks you already have.
exactly. i thought everyone new that. sometimes reg. oil will stop up leaks and if u switch to synthetic it can break the seals that the reg. oil made and show you where your leaks are. That's why some people think it causes leaks.
 
but if you weren't leaking, regardless of what was sealing it, and you start leaking with syn. then technically it causes leaks.
 
Originally posted by nine5raptor
but if you weren't leaking, regardless of what was sealing it, and you start leaking with syn. then technically it causes leaks.


Run over a pothole with a steam roller and you won't feel it. Run it over with a motorcycle and you will feel it. The pothole is still there regardless...
 
Originally posted by heavyD
I may be a newbie to DSM talk but am a seasoned ex-Honda tuner. I find some of the comments about synthetic oil in threads laughable. I have read stuff like "synthetic oil causes leaks", "you need special gaskets for synthetic oil", "synthetic oil eats gaskets".

I work in the oil & gas industry in Canada and can tell you the facts on synthetic oil. Synthetic oil doesn't cause oil leaks, bad sealing gaskets do. If you have this problem sythetic oil will find leaks more than regular oil. Why? Synthetic oil is man made and manufactured to spec. Every oil molecule is identical in size. This gives synthetic superior flow characteristics and is why a 10W30 synthetic oil seems thinner than a conventional 10W30 oil.

Conventional oil is created by natural means by biodegradation of living things/organisms over hundreds of years. The oil molecules are not uniform in size (some large & some small). When you have small imperfections in gasket seals, some of the large oil molecules present will lodge themselves in the crevices causing a seal and preventing the smaller ones to pass through. When you change to synthetic oil, the new oil will eventually displace the molecules of the previously used conventional oil and will flow through the imperfections and you now have leaks. This is not a common problem on new engines but on older engines with dried and cracked gaskets it will be.

Bottom line is that synthetic oil is a superior lubricant but you must ensure that you have no leaks prior to using it. If you have an older engine and would like to use synthetic oil to prolong your engine life, you may have to look into replacing the major gaskets on your engine or stick with conventional oil which really isn't that bad since many now have additives to condition you seals.

I hope this helps clear the myths.

good thing you posted all this so I can read about it for the 500000th time:p
 
OK, so blah blah, we know this already. I have read some stuff on synthetic that i find interesting. Check out http://www.oilextreme.com/ and tell me what you think. People say snake oil others say its good. I got some of this free from where I used to work (don't ask) and I read about it etc etc..

I was wondering somebody's opinion on this oil and what the deal is. I'm not a fan of this type of stuff honestly but the guy I talked to spoke like this was the biggest thing since sliced bread.

Discuss...
 
Originally posted by DSMJim
OK, so blah blah, we know this already. I have read some stuff on synthetic that i find interesting. Check out http://www.oilextreme.com/ and tell me what you think. People say snake oil others say its good. I got some of this free from where I used to work (don't ask) and I read about it etc etc..

I was wondering somebody's opinion on this oil and what the deal is. I'm not a fan of this type of stuff honestly but the guy I talked to spoke like this was the biggest thing since sliced bread.

Discuss...


Interesting, but how many brands of oil addatives or synthetics claim the same thing? Bonds to the microscopic imprefections in metal, blah blah blah... I'd give it a whirl just to see though...
 
Originally posted by RuBiCaNT99GSX



Run over a pothole with a steam roller and you won't feel it. Run it over with a motorcycle and you will feel it. The pothole is still there regardless...

The point is before you weren't losing any oil and now you are. We're talking about leaks here, not holes. The holes may be there but whether or not they're leaking is something completely different.
 
Originally posted by igs


The point is before you weren't losing any oil and now you are. We're talking about leaks here, not holes. The holes may be there but whether or not they're leaking is something completely different.

Where do you think leaks come from... Holes.. I'd rather do it right and replace a bad gasket/seal than know that if I use regular motor oil my car won't leak...
 
you say this problem was always there. if you didn't leak then what was the problem??
you have holes everywhere. it's called tolerancing. whether there is a leak or not is the issue.
 
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