How do I Add Torque ??

[TurBoGs-T]

I'm Looking For Some tips on how to add torque. I don't want to have my Horse:Torque Ratio to be all Messed up. So any tips on improving my torque. Thanks Fellas.

 

[Cjburn]

1. Torque is the only thing that exists, horsepower is a function of torque at a certain rpm...it's a made up number. Horsepower comes from a mathematical equation. Honda's have a large HP versus low torque ratings since they string out their torque curves until whatever nosebleeding redline they run, therefore allowing larger than average HP ratings with such low torque numbers. Consequently low revving V8's make massive torque down low but don't rev that high, so therefore some of their motors have (soemtimes) a equal hp/torque ratings. What I'm saying here is that you cannot adversely effect your hp without doing something to your torque, so don't worry about messing up the ratio, since there is no "golden" ratio between the two. That discussion of hp vs. torque will also run into a discussion on optimal gearing.
2. To add horsepower without ever adding (anywhere) torque would be to raise your redline.

I can't even start to begin to answer that question, unless you at least go and do the "free mods." Then I would try a free flowing exhaust/intake, and then maybe bumping the boost up a bit. Your car will be able to compensate the little bit of boost you can add from your T25 so I wouldn't worry about running lean.

 

[mike9146]

1. Go to a search engine
2. Type "HP vs. Torque"
3. Become enlightened.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=torque+vs+hp


Mike C.

 

[DSMJim]

mike9146:

Note:
"Use the Search" is not an acceptable response by itself.
Link to the answer and explain how the info can be found quickly next time.
Don't give any technical advice unless you have first-hand experience on the subject

Ever read this when you post?

 

[mike9146]

DSMJim, I'm not going to do an internet search for the guy. The answer is out there, right where I told him it is. If that isn't good enough for you, too bad.

Mike C.

 

[DSMJim]

Originally posted by mike9146
DSMJim, I'm not going to do an internet search for the guy. The answer is out there, right where I told him it is. If that isn't good enough for you, too bad.

Mike C.

Your not going to do an internet search for him? That is what your supposed to do to help out. If you don’t want to do that, THEN DONT REPLY!!!! What’s the matter with you? You’re a real piece of work. Having problems following basic rules are you?

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I'm glad to see you care about other DSMers out there. You must have mad VTEC syndrome yo..

Next time try and help the guy instead of just trying to increase your post count because that is a total waste of bandwidth. And do me a and TurboGS-T a favor and do not reply as I will not read it or respond because your wasting my time enough already.

TurboGS-T sorry to Hijack your thread, hopefully he won’t reply and it will stop here. What Cjburn said is a good start. What you should do is start with the free mods to you car so that you can turn up the boost on your turbo. This will give you the extra torque and HP that your looking for. WHen you add more boost, you add more torque, which directly increases your HP. Your ratio will never be way off like a honda as you have a turbo which creates a lot of low end torque. Even hondas get a good amount of low end torque with a turbo, so no worries about screwing that up.

Check out, http://www.vfaq.com/index-main.html and read though as much of that as you possibly can it will help you out a lot.

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by mike9146
1. Go to a search engine
2. Type "HP vs. Torque"
3. Become enlightened.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=torque+vs+hp


Mike C.

I Searched "Add Torque""Better Torque" and "Improve Torque" Nothin came up so i decided to post. So this is how bad it's gotten. I Do the Damn search and People still Have a Problem.

 

[Wikkedson]

Generally it seems like the more air goes through the motor the more torque you have. Like Bigger turbo, more boost etc.... From what ive seen and experienced it seems that it is not hard to make torque on our motors at all. High RPM torque is what you want though.

From your mods list it says you have a 19c, you should be making some decent torque.

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by Wikkedson
Generally it seems like the more air goes through the motor the more torque you have. Like Bigger turbo, more boost etc.... From what ive seen and experienced it seems that it is not hard to make torque on our motors at all. High RPM torque is what you want though.

From your mods list it says you have a 19c, you should be making some decent torque.

Wilkkedson=Heavensent
Thanks !!!!!!!!!

 

[Hobbes =^.^=]

Wouldn't more torque on a FWD be a bad thing, since it will be easier to spin your tires?

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Alright heres the situation:

The reason i started this post is. I raced a guy and i spun all the way thru 1st and 2nd. We pulled over and I guess he started talkin out the side of his neck. He was tellin me that i have too much horse power and not enough torque. Making me assume torque was Wheel:Street. Kinda Like traction but slightly different. But readin the VFaq(Thanks Jim) i'm startin to realize his idea of torque and the Real meaning of it aren't the same. I thought adding torque would help stop my spinning problem. If this true or not. Would torque Help or Hurt. Thanks Fellas.

 

[LaserRST]

Torque is the rotational force against the mass being moved and Hp is the ratio of its work over time. The guy you raced is right in a sense. You need more torque in the bottom end of your engine. Turbo engines have a peaky torque curve which means in low RPMs it has little torque, not much more than a NA or to be honest cuz the manifold designs it has less. Most of its torque comes into play when the turbo begins to kick in. This is why most people rev their engines high to spool the turbo to get a decent launch, they don have enough torque in the bottom end to get them off the line at low RPM. This is why they introduced the Cyclone dual runner intakes on 1g vehicles, to broaden the torque curve. Horsepower is the rate at which work is done. Work over time. They calculate HP in racing because thats what produces low ET times. Horse power is a calculation of torque, it goes something like

HP=torque*RPM/5252

so torque is a major advantage in racing, but its more at what rpm you peak torque occurrs. So in order to launch your car you need to rev it up high to reach a good torque point in your Power Band, but unfortunately in your race you revved to a point where it exceeded your traction limit. In this idea lies why Mitsubishi went to such a small intake on their 2gs. So to answer you question more directly, you need more torque. You need a broader torque band so you can launch at lower rpms and prevent your tires from spinning. Or find a good "sweet spot" rpm range that will launch you well with out so much wheel spin. I would suggest 1g head with a dual runner JDM intake.

 

[DrZiplok]

Originally posted by TurBoGs-T


I Searched "Add Torque""Better Torque" and "Improve Torque" Nothin came up so i decided to post. So this is how bad it's gotten. I Do the Damn search and People still Have a Problem.

Before you (or you, Jim, for that matter) get all snooty, perhaps you might follow Mike C's suggestion? His instructions, if followed correctly as written, yield several extremely informative articles which address one of the items of confusion that appear to be clouding the issue for you.

Perhaps, Jim, you might want to consider another one of the tips that one is confronted with before posting:

"Don't give any technical advice unless you have first-hand experience on the subject."

 

[DrZiplok]

Originally posted by LaserRST
Torque is the rotational force against the mass being moved and Hp is the ratio of its work over time. The guy you raced is right in a sense. You need more torque in the bottom end of your engine.

You are completely smoking crack here.

What our confused little streetracer needs is one or more of a) more traction (should have bought an AWD ) and b) better clutch control.

The entirety of his wheelspin problem is that he has too much torque and he can't control it.

Most of the rest of your post is just confused and unhelpful. Read more, spout less.

 

[DSMJim]

Originally posted by DrZiplok


Perhaps, Jim, you might want to consider another one of the tips that one is confronted with before posting:

"Don't give any technical advice unless you have first-hand experience on the subject."

That's pretty funny, thanks for comin out though. I build race cars for a living but have no idea what im talking about.

What there is no first-hand knowledge of is what you presume to think I know.

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by DrZiplok


Before you (or you, Jim, for that matter) get all snooty, perhaps you might follow Mike C's suggestion? His instructions, if followed correctly as written, yield several extremely informative articles which address one of the items of confusion that appear to be clouding the issue for you.

Perhaps, Jim, you might want to consider another one of the tips that one is confronted with before posting:

"Don't give any technical advice unless you have first-hand experience on the subject."

It's just the principal that i DID try to search it before i posted and now you F"Lamers" still have a problem. So i turn to postin in a forum and look at this. He Had no clue if i searched or not. If you guys are so into the "search button" Why would you be in a forum. Shouldn't you be Searchin somewhere?

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by DrZiplok


What our confused little streetracer needs is one or more of a) more traction (should have bought an AWD ) and b) better clutch control.

The entirety of his wheelspin problem is that he has too much torque and he can't control it.

In Being smart. and to asnwer the golden ?. I want to know how to "Control The clutch" and improve Traction. It's that simple

 

[LaserRST]

Originally posted by DrZiplok


You are completely smoking crack here.

What our confused little streetracer needs is one or more of a) more traction (should have bought an AWD ) and b) better clutch control.

The entirety of his wheelspin problem is that he has too much torque and he can't control it.

Most of the rest of your post is just confused and unhelpful. Read more, spout less.

Hmmm... seems some one has more technical advice as far as creating more torque... sounds like you think its all about being a better driver?
You cant move an AWD unless you have torque!! Driver is part of the issue as far as the race goes, but torque is what gets you off the line but its how the torque band looks that will determine how you launch, a broader torque band will get you off the line quicker. Its HP that causes wheel spin. If you have read and understood my post you would have gotten that. A good example is a semi truck. Their design is based on a high torquing engine. They have small valves and long intake runners that produce torque 500-1200+ foot lbs or more on some industrial engines. Well I have never seen a bare semi peel out and race like a sports car!!! Wonder why?! Flow is what changes torque to HP. Hp is work over time. You drop the clutch at high revvs and you spin the tires, you do the same at a lower RPM and you dont. You need torque to get moving. Higher torque at a lower RPM will not spin your tires. Guarantee you I am not the one thats confused... maybe you should try building an engine first.... ricer.

(passes the crack pipe back and says "No thanks")

 

[AW4G63]

Some people are real azzhats!

The more torque the more wheel spin- as said above.

I would launch at a lower RPM then apply the gas. Smooth your clutch work out and you should be rocking in no time.

And next time you get people busting your balls, search on google for-" how to be a dickcheese" and you may see those dudes points of view.

 

[LaserRST]

More torque does not equal more wheel spin...

 

[autronicDSM]

there's lot more factors that affect wheelspin than torque. suspension would be one of them. drivetrain, tires, you get the point...

for the guy who started this thread. lunch either at lower rpms or learn how to slip the clutch. when i do hard lunch without much clutch control i always smoke my tires and i'm awd but when i slip it i have no wheel spin. hope that somehow helps

 

[LaserRST]

There seems to be a need to understand the difference between torque and HP. Torque is the amount of force placed on a rotating device measured in ftlbs. HP is the rate at which work is done. HP is measured as 550lb object move one foot in one second, or 33000 ftlb per minuite. Work/time. It is possible to have 3600 ft lbs of torque on a piece of machinery and only 6HP. So the real vice in off the line situations is really the lack of torque at a lower RPM, not too much. More torque you have at lower RPMs the easier the launch will be. We can go into math to prove my point if anyone likes...

 

[FastRthenU]

Yes there are more factors in spining up the tire's. But when you have more torque, its much easier, because the rotational force is higher. Hp is just the messurment of doing work over a period of time

 

[autronicDSM]

what do you mean by "the easier the launch will be"? sure more torque you have the easier it is to get the car in motion but that's assuming you drive it like it's meant to be. not lunching it at 5k rpm. who cares if you make 100ft/lbs or 1000ft/lbs at lower rpms, if you don't have traction you will smoke the tires. i could be brain dead after a long day of wrenching so please explain what you meant

 

[LaserRST]

Originally posted by FastRthenU
Yes there are more factors in spining up the tire's. But when you have more torque, its much easier, because the rotational force is higher. Hp is just the messurment of doing work over a period of time

You are right!! Now let me expand on that to explain why more torque equals a better launch. When you produce alot of torque in the bottom end, you move the vehicle (in this case) forward then you can calculate HP based on weight and distance you moved. HP is a factor of torque, infact Dynos calculate HP by torque. When the amount of HP exceeds the amount of traction thats when you have wheelspin. Lemme give yall another formula for torque...

Torque = HP*5252/RPM

Now if you look at this formula and say a good launching speed would be 2000 rpm and a safe HP around 100 to make things easy. Do the math and you have about 262 ftlbs of torque. Now a 100 hp engine wont have much of a problem with wheelspin. This is alot of torque even for our cars. Now this wont get any good ETs but will, depending on the vehicles weight, will get the vehicle off the line pretty quick. Now tune the engine by increasing flow produce more HP and you have one fast car. Hope this clears things up.