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Rebirth or Retire? 90 Eclipse GS.

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Fisher

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Nov 25, 2006
Midvale, New Jersey
Hello folks,

New to the group (turned onto you guys from a import racer fan/friend who runs VW). Out of circumstances that were beyond my control, I had somehow came into ownership of a 90 :dsm: Eclipse GS. Actually, my last car finally died, and I needed wheels in the worse way.. I picked this one up for a whopping $78.00.:thumb:

Vin: 4A3CS44RXLE016413
Odo: 164296 WTF

Ok, before I ask the question, heres the list of "Known" issues with the ride.

1.) Needs both front transaxles (they both click as I make turns)
2.) Needs suspension work (car bottoms out too easily)
3.) Needs a Catalytic Converter (car has some sort of performance exhaust w/resonator, but no cat... Won't pass NJMVC inspection that way....):(
4.) Pass side headlight won't flip up (budges a little, had to hand crank it up)
5.) E-brake won't hold for nothing.
6.) Tires (including a spare)
7.) Shows almost no oil pressure at idle (actually when I come to a stop, it slowly drops to almost nothing until I give it gas, is this normal????)
8.) Drivers side corner parking light lens.
9.) Hatchback needs new gas support struts.

And of course, there are issues with paint. There is no rot on this car however, and the interior is in rather ok shape, needs the headliner rehung, and a couple small interior pieces for the inside replaced (mainly the access covers for the rear struts?)

Ok, the question I have is this.. Is it worth trying to turn this car around? The reason I ask is because I have been known to turn cars around. The last one, an 87 aries K, with 78,000 was literally on the hook of a wrecker, on its way to junk 5 1/2 years ago, when I bought it, and turned it around. Got 5 years out of her, and another 60,000 before her aluminum valve head warped, and I deemed the car not worth a major overhaul..

I drive this car now, and its been running very well. Sometimes 2nd and 3rd gear can be a bit finnicky if your too impatient, but otherwise she has lots of power (spun her wheels on a couple of occasions). I haven't detected large amounts of blow-by (I will check the oil again in the morning since I did put close to 120 miles on her friday night).

Since I am not familiar with imports (all my previous cars where Ford/Chevy/Dodge) this is new and uncharted territory for me. I did purchase the Haynes manual for this vehicle, though originally I wasn't planning on keeping the car. However, after about 2 weeks of fun (and a whole lot of comments from friends about me driving a DSM, and how its so "not me") and am seriously thinking of turning this one around.

My goal isn't to create a quarter mile car for Englishtown, but what I am thinking of is something somewhat fast, which handles well, looks and sounds good (both exhaust note and musically) and is reliable.

And, as Paul Harvey would say, "the rest of the story"

Apparently this DSM was last driven regularly back in 2003. Having cleaned out the car, and talking to some people who are related to one of the previous owners, I was able to piece this together.

Its last oil change was back in mid-2003. According to the sticker in the window, we still haven't hit the "3,000 miles" that the sticker claims is the next time the car was due. Apparently, the car changed hands for a bit, but wasn't run. Then it was scrapped (or slated for scrapping.) Someone else bought it (as evidenced by a receipt from the auto scrapper, which let the car go for $100) and pulled it back out of the scrap line. From there, it sat behind a mechanics garage for a bit, before the previous owner lost interest (didn't want to buy a set of ignition wires to make her run) so gave the title to the mechanic to "scrap again". Only the mechanic decided to put wires in it for whatever unbeknownst reason, and the car sat, some more. Word got out on the street last month that I needed wheels in the worst of ways, and this mechanic (who I tow for, yes I drive wreckers) told me "She Runs, don't know for how long.. $78.00 (the cost of the wire set) and you can tow it out of here." I dropped the cash, loaded her on the truck, and away we went.

Either this car is going to die in another month, or she'll live for quite some time. (I have a knack for finding good hearted cars, that were abused by their previous owners, and then left for dead.)

But I wanted the opinion of folks who are well versed in the vehicle type. With over 160,000 miles (and 4 previous owners that are known, not to mention the scrapper and the mechanic) Does this car still have a future?

Be as brutally honest as you want. I am from New Jersey, my skin is thick, and I have heard it all at one time or another...

Fisher.
 
first off is it actually a gs? thats a nt but then you said it has enough power to spin the tires :LOL: which made me think it may be turbo. If its turbo it much more worthy of being fixed
 
Fisher, I just wanted to thank you for being so diligent and thorough with your post. Yes, we do notice things like that. And thank you for acknowledging the use of the "Shift" key. It makes it much easier for us to answer your questions with accuracy and gives us much less headaches when we can actually understand what the problem is. :) Thanks again.
 
Rob, Anthony, Folks,

OK, I was just under the hood to make sure I wasn't losing my marbles at 30 years old.. I don't see any sign of a Turbo. It to me, deffinately looks normally aspirated. But the rear bumper says 16 Valve GS. The exhaust manifold goes straight down from the front, with no sign of turbo anywhere that I am aware of...

It should be noted that although I haven't spoken to owner #3 in person, I know many members of that family, and they all are known for tuning their imports in one way or another. The evidence of a high performance exhaust with no cat and a loud resonator is proof of this. Another of the members of the family, once realizing that I somehow came into possession of his cousin's car, offered to buy it right in the parking lot of Dunkin Donuts. LOL.. I am trying to arrange a meeting with #3 to get the straight dope as to what exactly was done, so I know what I am getting myself into..

And yes, she has power. For shits and giggles last week, I raced my friend Kim (05 Camry) from off the light in town. When I dumped the clutch into first, the car deffinately spun her front tires. Kim herself was suprised, given that she knows the story to the car, and the mileage. Granted, it wasn't like I spun them for 500 feet or something, but going through the intersection while hitting the rev limiter, she had them spinning. It wasn't till I got into second that she planted right and really got going. It was a dry night, and there isn't alot of debris from accidents/road salters, etc. in the intersection. Admittedly, the tires are a little on the thin side but she handles corners well. Please realize also that this isn't a 1/4 mile car, so when I say she's fast, for me, whose used to driving sedans and wreckers, she is. To some of you guys who run 10's, she's probably a dog. LOL..

If the Forum owner will allow, I can shoot a whole boat load of photos for the site, so everyone can see what I am talking about when I reference this car.

Please excuse my ignorance when I am talking about this car. Like I said, its the first 2 door I've owned, and its the first import.

Oh, and I checked the oil, not burning any either.. Looks good to me...:D

Fisher.
 
Hey, you can't go wrong with a $78.00 car. But as far as bang for your buck, including all those repairs, its not the best platform to start on. If you want a dsm, pick yourself up a 4g63t, aka It will say Eclipse GST ( turbo fwd) or GSX (turbo awd), The Eagle Talon TSi, Plymouth Laser Turbo or even a Galant VR-4. If you are die hard into this car, you could swap engines and build from there. But with all of the problems listed, I'd recommend not pursueing alot of performance.

p.s. Wait until you step into a turbo dsm, then you'll know what DSM's are all about :thumb:
 
Either this car is going to die in another month, or she'll live for quite some time. (I have a knack for finding good hearted cars, that were abused by their previous owners, and then left for dead.)

With over 160,000 miles (and 4 previous owners that are known, not to mention the scrapper and the mechanic) Does this car still have a future?

Haha. Well, I'd say it does. It has a bit more work due than mine did when I purchased mine, but then again, you got yours for $78.00. I'll take some swings at your list:

1.) Needs both front transaxles (they both click as I make turns)
- Those aren't too expensive, I picked up a set for $100 remanned.
2.) Needs suspension work (car bottoms out too easily)
- If you want cheap comfort, you won't look at alot there, but I opted for a middle of the road combo. GC/AGX. Very nice for the money.
3.) Needs a Catalytic Converter (car has some sort of performance exhaust w/resonator, but no cat... Won't pass NJMVC inspection that way....):(
- You could find one at a JY or purchase one. Either way, not much of an expense.
4.) Pass side headlight won't flip up (budges a little, had to hand crank it up)
- Someone else will need to help there...
5.) E-brake won't hold for nothing.
- Check your ebrake cables under your center console. Mine sucked until I adjusted them. And for some reason, the suspension definitely improved the 'grab' of the ebrake. :dunno:
6.) Tires (including a spare)
- You know what to do.
7.) Shows almost no oil pressure at idle (actually when I come to a stop, it slowly drops to almost nothing until I give it gas, is this normal????)
- If the oil is topped off, and there aren't any real leaks that you can see, then it could be internal. Or the guage needle is off.
8.) Drivers side corner parking light lens.
- JY. Cheap.
9.) Hatchback needs new gas support struts.
- Haha, those alone will make the car seem much more worthwhile to fix. A lil pricey though

Fisher, I just wanted to thank you for being so diligent and thorough with your post. Yes, we do notice things like that. And thank you for acknowledging the use of the "Shift" key. It makes it much easier for us to answer your questions with accuracy and gives us much less headaches when we can actually understand what the problem is. :) Thanks again.

+1. No need to hound this newb.

If the Forum owner will allow, I can shoot a whole boat load of photos for the site, so everyone can see what I am talking about when I reference this car.

Do it. Nothing wrong with that. I'd probably just put them on a photobucket album or something like that, so you can just link to the pics. But if there are alot of pics, try to resize em a lil smaller. But overall, you sound like you're off to a great start. Welcome to the community. :dsm: :talon: :laser:

Edit: Just so ya know, I picked my talon up with 16Xxxx on the clock. Coming right up on 180xxx and still running strong. Aside from the crapped tranny.
 
Well, as I said earlier, the car will either last forever, or die relatively quickly.. Well, yesterday morning, on the way to work (thank god I drive wreckers,) the ECM crapped out. I know this to be the case because I heard the pop under the dash, smelled burnt electricals, and upon opening the ECM, noticed a hole the size of a pencil, where a capacitor had once been..

Burned the hole straight through the pc board. My boss said looks like someone shot it with a .22

It gets better...

I called Mitsubishi, explained what I was looking for #MD128624 for a 2.0 DOHC, No Turbo...

One parts guy at Dealer one told me he can't get it..
Another parts guy at a different dealer said it would be $900 bucks, and there was no guarantee of even being able to get it..

Called the very good local A/P guy, who told me he couldn't get it rebuilt, or otherwise, and with a hole in the PC board, the unit was not repairable anyway..

Called over 10 different Junk Yards in the North Jersey area, only one had anything nearly that old, but they were from DSMs with turbos.. No luck there...

So now I am stuck. A car that I ran the hell out of in the past several days, which ran very well and reliably, is now without a brain..:(

I am hoping that the ECM rebuilder company which advertises here has it, if not, the car is done..

Any other suggestions?

Fisher.:cry:
 
If you need a ecu, check the classifieds on this site, there should be some, or someone with a good one may chime in. Non e-prom ones are pretty cheap.

I know it's not the same car, but it's closely related. I once was the proud owner of the "best car ever made" WTF , you say? I bought an 89 Colt/Summit/Mirage with 225,000 miles on it, original engine, second 5 spd trans. It never really shifted too well (typical), Required only normal maintenence items, used minimal oil, got as much as 40 mpg, and still ran after a 40 mph front end collision, which ended its life. At 370,000 miles. No missprint. No kidding. I kinda miss the dumb thing.

Get another ecu. :cool:
 
Get another ecu. :cool:

Agreed , you can find the ECU you are looking for from some reputable people , dare I say even on EBAY , for around $200.
If the engine is good , and the with minor repairs needed to make it a good daily driver seem to be less the $500-600 dollar range ,I say fix whats needed to keep her on the road and drive it.
Personally I got a $600 POS 95 Neon a few months back , put a $150 clutch in it and it gets 30-35 mpg , looks like crap but it keeps the mileage off the DSM so its all good.
 
Well, I took the advice and hit the classifieds... I emailed several people who are advertising used ECU's in their listings, but haven't heard anything back from them yet...

Crossing the fingers..

Fisher...
 
Well, I took the advice and hit the classifieds... I emailed several people who are advertising used ECU's in their listings, but haven't heard anything back from them yet...

Crossing the fingers..

Fisher...

There's one at widsm.org forums for 90 bux. It's not an e-prom, and it's for a 90 :).
 
Couple of questions..

1.) Difference between E-prom and Non E-prom?

2.) I have someone from the classifieds telling me he has an ecu for a turbo model (92-94) which with crossing two wires on the harness (switching their positions) should work.. Does this sound right? Keep in mind my car is normally aspirated..

3.) If I have no luck scoring this ecu, anyone deal with MotoGuy Garage? Are they reputable?

Thanks, Fisher...
 
Couple of questions..

1.) Difference between E-prom and Non E-prom?

2.) I have someone from the classifieds telling me he has an ecu for a turbo model (92-94) which with crossing two wires on the harness (switching their positions) should work.. Does this sound right? Keep in mind my car is normally aspirated..

3.) If I have no luck scoring this ecu, anyone deal with MotoGuy Garage? Are they reputable?

Thanks, Fisher...

1.)E-prom has a chip which can be removed and replaced with a custom chip or hooked up to DSMLink (a tuning tool) Not really necessary in your case.

2.)See post #3 http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237543&highlight=ecu+swap Also see http://www.dsmchips.com/1990ecu.html I also believe you would need an N/T ecu, due to injector sizes, knock sensor issues, etc.

3.)I have not had any dealings with MotoGuy Garage.
 
I think you should keep it. Especially for what you said you want it for. Guys, I don't think he's looking for a performer here, so the NA 4G63 should have more then enough pep to get him thru traffic after a few bolt ons. Mr.Fisher, have you tried mitsubishigraveyard.com ? Their a big junkyard dedicated to mitsubishi in NY, I'm sure they can get you one(ecu). You can also try M&S recycling, but they get alittle pricey sometimes. Axles and shocks are no biggie, Ebrake should also be no biggie, and getting a good set of used tires should also be no problem, specially in your line of work. An exhaust shop can take care of you on the CAT. The lights might be a PITA if it's not the flip light motor thats bad. The stock oil pressure gauge is about as acurrate as Miss cleo, the phone pshycic. I think if you Look for bargains you can get this car up to decent shape for about 500 bucks. If you spend maybe 300 more bucks, You can get an intake,header and exhaust for this baby and wake her up a little. My 2psi. welcome to the boards.
 
Heres the update...

The car is sitting at my apartment complex right now, awaiting for the ECU... I still have been unsuccessful in locating the particular one I need, and a used one I found, was going for 300 bills, NOT REBUILT.... For 20 bucks more, I can get a rebuilt one, soup to nuts from the Moto-Guy Garage...

Not that I am not keeping my eyes open,OMG I am, but I think I am going to get a rebuilt unit.

When I went to WiDSM.org, the site wasn't working,:toobad: then, it started working partially.. :rolleyes:

The couple that I saw in the classifieds are not the match that I need:mad:

As Speedy said, I am not looking for a 10 second car (THIS TIME AROUND,:p ) But I do want to clean her up a bit, as she is a blast to drive... Plus, this would get me familiar with the basics of the 4G63 platform. Once its "Done", then I will probably look for a :dsm: GSX as it seems my wife likes the car as well (styling, cabin, etc..)

And I will admit, I like the look of the Headlights "On" while they are folded in the "Down" position... :cool:

I'll be in touch, and thanks for all the help...

Fisher
 
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