How do you convert from GS to GS-T?

[diamond_zealot]

I really want to know how to convert, and what parts I need to change my GS to a GS-T....and no I don't want to go out and just buy one because you figure your just going to take the stock turbo out and replace that with a better one. Along with the exaust and other little goodies here and there so any kind of parts list and/or walk through would be helpfull.

Thanx,
I)iamond_Zealot

 

[blaster1812]

Buy a turbo kit for the N/T

 

[got traction?]

Just get yourself a 1g trubo dsm.

 

[coos]

yeah the two are totally different designs. You have a neon basically. And eclipse motors won't fit in neons. So when people tell you to sell your car a just buy a gs-t, that is the cheapest way. With enough money you can do anything, so its not impossible.
What you would need:

custom motor mounts welded to fit
4g63
custom exhast
relocation of most of the underhood components
ecu/standalone
wiring harness
shift linkage
is n/t eclipse hydro tranny or cable i don't know but you would need all the hydro hook-ups for the gs-t clutch,
I would also bet that you would have to cut out some body under the hood to fit the motor.

I know these are some of the thing you would need to address. I am sure there are other things. It would not be economical that is for sure.

 

[diamond_zealot]

Thank you for the reply. I know that it will be tough to do, but I do want to do it. I am eyeinig a 4G63 engine so that will be my first purches on my list. It dosn't come with the turbo so I figured I would get a better one then just the costom motor. I want to get it all before I actualy do anything to the car. Thank you so much for your reply.

 

[popeonarope]

actually i was on a site earlier that was selling a cyclone 4g63 that is $1595.95 for a 1st gen. you might want to check out this site. that is if you still plan on doing a swap. i know i am trying to do the same thing.
heres the site : www.ardperformance.com

 

[popeonarope]

oh i forgot to say this one does come with a turbo

 

[diamond_zealot]

Very cool!!!...Thanks for the web site. I will check it out!!

 

[coos]

yeah i buy the motors from ard all the time.... You can choose the turbo that you want, either a 14b or a 16g. They are very good over there, if you call over there ask for Javier, he is hella cool.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

If you get a turbo engine its easy, if not heres whatcha need, still not hard, I can get those motors for 1100-1200 all day long.

turboing the non turbo 4g63 is relatively easy

Ok, you need to get:

450 cc injectors
resistor pack
exhaust manifold
turbo
02 sensor housing
downpipie
IC piping
intercooler
knock sensor
Turbo ECU
turbo MAF
Oil and coolant lines, turbo front water pipe
Intake pipe


You need to put the ecu in and run 2 additional wires. For the knock sensor one is grounded and the other goes to the ecu, the turbo maf has 7 wires instead of 6 and the extra wire needs to go to the ecu. Thats about it, boost away. Run about 9 PSI. Run premium. Should be goof for about 190 wheel hp very safely.

 

[Tevenor]

Originally posted by coos
yeah the two are totally different designs. You have a neon basically. And eclipse motors won't fit in neons. .

Wrong. He has a 1G. 1G NT 2 liter engines are 4G63's with no turbo. It's a hell of a lot easier than in 2G's. The big deal is the wiring harness and such.

 

[hose101772]

your local used car dealer would be the best place to start.i.e.--trade.

 

[ItsStockOfficer]

Originally posted by Tevenor


Wrong. He has a 1G. 1G NT 2 liter engines are 4G63's with no turbo. It's a hell of a lot easier than in 2G's. The big deal is the wiring harness and such.

Changing the wiring harness is totally unnessecary. there are only 2 additional wires. KNock and Maf 7. Just run them directly to the ecu stereo style

 

[MyEclipse5]

when i heard sell it and get AWD i always strayed away cause i didn't want to sell my baby, well i am goin to cause its cheaper and better so jsut sell it and buy a AWD

 

[diamond_zealot]

I would sell it but I love my car!!!!! Thanx for the reply though

 

[3GLower]

Check the general discussion forum. I posted the gs to gst swap I've completed. There are a couple of pix.

 

[gsxstac]

making the nt 1g into turbo is retarted. the block has one diffrence. it has no oil squirters like the turbo block does. which means that cylinder temp will get too hot eventually and blow shit up. maybe a stock turbo will be ok but any kind of upgrade and i'm sure it wont last long.

and coos. if this was a 2g he wouldnt need custom mounts or to cut anything under the hood. he would just need turbo mounts to be welded in and thast it. the under hood frame is the same.

 

[Tallen]

Originally posted by coos
yeah the two are totally different designs. You have a neon basically. And eclipse motors won't fit in neons. So when people tell you to sell your car a just buy a gs-t, that is the cheapest way. With enough money you can do anything, so its not impossible.
What you would need:

custom motor mounts welded to fit
4g63
custom exhast
relocation of most of the underhood components
ecu/standalone
wiring harness
shift linkage
is n/t eclipse hydro tranny or cable i don't know but you would need all the hydro hook-ups for the gs-t clutch,
I would also bet that you would have to cut out some body under the hood to fit the motor.

I know these are some of the thing you would need to address. I am sure there are other things. It would not be economical that is for sure.

He has a 91...

Isn't there a vfaq on this?

 

[EvuLFleA]

There is a "NON-TURBO Performance" section where this question has been asked AND answered many times.

For the price of 1G AWD's it's almost cost effective just to buy a new car. Hell, I just bought one for $1800 w/minimal mods.

 

[TalonRcR]

Originally posted by diamond_zealot
I really want to know how to convert, and what parts I need to change my GS to a GS-T....and no I don't want to go out and just buy one because you figure your just going to take the stock turbo out and replace that with a better one. Along with the exaust and other little goodies here and there so any kind of parts list and/or walk through would be helpfull.

Thanx,
I)iamond_Zealot

Here is the easiest and cheapest way I have found to make a gs a gs-t.

1. Goto www.autotrader.com and list your car for sale.
2. Sell your car and get some cash
3. Checkout dsmtrader.com for a nice used AWD talon
4. Buy a Turbo car for way cheaper than a turbo kit.

 

[Z-1 Performance]

When we first bought my GVR4 we got a crated motor from mitsubishi...blew after about 50K (rings). Turns out they sent an NT block instead of a turbo and the lack of oil squirters did her in. BUT...we did run an FMIC, walbro, big 16G, 660cc's, FPR, VPC and 22 psi through that thing for about 30K. Tone it down a bit and I'm sure the NT is a very strong motor. I've since gotten a rebuilt turbo block and resurrected the car

 

[TimG]

Originally posted by Z-1 Performance
When we first bought my GVR4 we got a crated motor from mitsubishi...blew after about 50K (rings). Turns out they sent an NT block instead of a turbo and the lack of oil squirters did her in. BUT...we did run an FMIC, walbro, big 16G, 660cc's, FPR, VPC and 22 psi through that thing for about 30K. Tone it down a bit and I'm sure the NT is a very strong motor. I've since gotten a rebuilt turbo block and resurrected the car

By chance, was that n/t block bare or did it come with pistons and rods that you used?

 

[Maximuscr31]

From what I have read it is better to have a nt block with forged internals when building a engine because there is no risk of the squirters breaking off and clogging oil passages.Keep in mind this is with forged internals which will not need the added cooling.

 

[ViperKilrZ06]

9 psi on a stock n/t engine? safely? what compression do the n/t 1Gs have? you'd think that a gs to gs-t swap would have more horsepower than a gs-t stock for stock. that is, with the right fuel mods, of course.....

-chris

 

[GoSpeedRacerGo]

A Stock GS-T running 9lbs would make less power than an n/t running 9lbs also. Assuming they have the same mods.