Holset Turbos, PART 4 - Page 5

JWoodley · 08-19-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kingjust

Hey fellas, I need your advice. I'm going to be running a 7 bolt 2.3 with fully built 1G head with mild porting, 280's, Hawver Intake mani, and probably the ERL ex mani. Now, I have the opportunity to get a 35/40x, and know the stroker would be too much for the BEP housing. But if I changed it to the T3 .70 housing (holla at me slippi84), personally I feel this would be the optimal setup for a more street than track usage vehicle. Shoul have awesome spool characterstics and good top end (revving to 7-7.5). Let me know what you guys think! Also, injectors are 1050's, LINK, AFPR, going to -8 fuel lines, going to build custom 3" DP->Full Exhaust, and a Jacks premium with cryo and 10% taller 5th. All other odds and ends will be there. So again, give me yall's inputs. Goal is 450+ on low boost setting 500+ on high boost setting, maybe more with meth involved!

KJ

Badman21 made 653hp on the stroker with the .55BEP housing.

kingjust · 08-19-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JWoodley

Badman21 made 653hp on the stroker with the .55BEP housing.

Was it the straight HX40 or the hybrid?

dsm-onster · 08-20-2008, 08:26 AM

hx40 with 6-blade compressor wheel. no hybrid. The hx35 turbine wheel is a little bigger than the t3 stage3 wheel. The hx40 is close to a p-trim t4 wheel. The .55 a/r with a p-trim turbine wheel is plenty for your goals and the hx40 with the .55 a/r bep has been proven to be plenty for the 600whp range. A bigger a/r open housing would just be more laggy for no real benefit if you want 500ish whp.

kingjust · 08-20-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dsm-onster

hx40 with 6-blade compressor wheel. no hybrid. The hx35 turbine wheel is a little bigger than the t3 stage3 wheel. The hx40 is close to a p-trim t4 wheel. The .55 a/r with a p-trim turbine wheel is plenty for your goals and the hx40 with the .55 a/r bep has been proven to be plenty for the 600whp range. A bigger a/r open housing would just be more laggy for no real benefit if you want 500ish whp.

Exactly why I asked what you guys thought about the .70 T3 on the hx35 hotside compared with the hx40 with the .55 hotside. So please, give me yalls o-pin-yun on that possible setup! Thanks!

KJ

92lzerNA · 08-20-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by propeine

For those wanting a bolt on BEP housing for the HX35 its going to be difficult to find as theturbotrader.com has had some issues with people breaking in and Bullseye sold their last batch to them.

I wonder if the breaking in problems have anything to do with the fact that I ordered a DIY holset kit with the t3 housing over 2 mounths ago and still have not recieved anything. Does anyone else here have any experience with theturbotrader.com? I keep calling and leaving messages and have wrote several emails and have not gotten a response.

Slippi84 · 08-20-2008, 12:17 PM

Timsturbos.com has them or atleast did when I ordered my t3 .70ar

JWoodley · 08-20-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kingjust

Exactly why I asked what you guys thought about the .70 T3 on the hx35 hotside compared with the hx40 with the .55 hotside. So please, give me yalls o-pin-yun on that possible setup! Thanks!

KJ

Hx40 pro in the .55 housing. Full boost ~4krpms and enough ooooomph to net 600hp.

talon20g · 08-20-2008, 02:11 PM

Gotta get the bolt on housing for my HX52!

propeine · 08-20-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 92lzerNA

I wonder if the breaking in problems have anything to do with the fact that I ordered a DIY holset kit with the t3 housing over 2 mounths ago and still have not recieved anything. Does anyone else here have any experience with theturbotrader.com? I keep calling and leaving messages and have wrote several emails and have not gotten a response.

Sounds like my story. They did return my money though. Actually the charge just never got past the pending stage and dropped. I also called repeatedly and emailed. I had placed an order in mid may. I would recommend looking elsewhere as theturbotrader.com is DOA for now at least. Timsturbos should have it or call slowboy and talk to Jeff Bastion. He can get you a t3 housing but not a bolt on. Tell him I sent you.

92lzerNA · 08-20-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by propeine

Sounds like my story. They did return my money though. Actually the charge just never got past the pending stage and dropped. I also called repeatedly and emailed. I had placed an order in mid may. I would recommend looking elsewhere as theturbotrader.com is DOA for now at least. Timsturbos should have it or call slowboy and talk to Jeff Bastion. He can get you a t3 housing but not a bolt on. Tell him I sent you.

Well that sucks! I wonder how I am going to get my money back then? I think I am just going to get out of the game with DSM's. I got scamed on a set of cams, then one a fp-green turbo. After repeated threating to file charges he sents me a Holset hx35, but he said it had the bolt-on housing, it didnt. Now I got screwed by a shop, I think it is just best if I left the game.

propeine · 08-20-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 92lzerNA

Well that sucks! I wonder how I am going to get my money back then? I think I am just going to get out of the game with DSM's. I got scamed on a set of cams, then one a fp-green turbo. After repeated threating to file charges he sents me a Holset hx35, but he said it had the bolt-on housing, it didnt. Now I got screwed by a shop, I think it is just best if I left the game.

Taken to PM to stay on topic.

dsm-onster · 08-21-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kingjust

Exactly why I asked what you guys thought about the .70 T3 on the hx35 hotside compared with the hx40 with the .55 hotside. So please, give me yalls o-pin-yun on that possible setup! Thanks!

KJ

Jwoodley is right.

The .70a/r housing with the hx35 turbine wheel should net very good flow and the spool will be under 4K. I would definately look at that option for the fastest spool and still have plenty of flow for the small 57lb/min 8-blade hx40 compressor or h1e 8-blade compressor which flows 55ish lb/min. But considering the hx40 turbine is just physically bigger, and the turbine wheel is actually the primary restriction to flow, the small bep housing with the hx40 wheel is likely going to flow WAY more than the hx35 wheel and large housing.

I know of bolt on t3stage3 turbines flowing more when switching to larger garrett turbine housings, but swapping to the stage 5 turbine wheel with the bolton housing always had a larger impact on flow. And the hx35 turbine wheel is a little larger than the t3stage3 turbine wheel, while the hx40 wheel is a little larger than the t3stage5 turbine wheel.

kingjust · 08-21-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dsm-onster

Jwoodley is right.

The .70a/r housing with the hx35 turbine wheel should net very good flow and the spool will be under 4K. I would definately look at that option for the fastest spool and still have plenty of flow for the small 57lb/min 8-blade hx40 compressor or h1e 8-blade compressor which flows 55ish lb/min. But considering the hx40 turbine is just physically bigger, and the turbine wheel is actually the primary restriction to flow, the small bep housing with the hx40 wheel is likely going to flow WAY more than the hx35 wheel and large housing.

I know of bolt on t3stage3 turbines flowing more when switching to larger garrett turbine housings, but swapping to the stage 5 turbine wheel with the bolton housing always had a larger impact on flow. And the hx35 turbine wheel is a little larger than the t3stage3 turbine wheel, while the hx40 wheel is a little larger than the t3stage5 turbine wheel.

Got it now, thanks! And just to let you know that it's a six blade hx40 with the 35 hotside, that's why I was just wondering. I know I wouldn't want to quick of a spool with such a small hotside, hence the question proposed when I found out it was the 6 blade compressor side. Why I state that is because you only reference the 8 blade and not the other two. So what would be your stance on the 6 blade with the 35 hotside and .70 housing? I'm thinking the turbine would be wore out... or maybe not. Let me know. Thanks

KJ

1stGenTSi · 08-21-2008, 11:54 AM

I've decided on going with an hx35 but am having some trouble finding one. I've found a guy in town who upgraded his Dodge and has only the hx35 cartridge as he used the housings on the new turbo. He wants $100 for it. Anyone know where I could find a compressor cover for it? Would I need to order a rebuild kit as well in order to get the clips to put it all back together? I will be using the BEP housing (if theres any left that is.) Does this sound like a good idea or should I keep looking?

b00stedtalon2 · 08-21-2008, 12:17 PM

Here's another HX52 I am about to buy. I always thought it was T4 though. Is it really a T6? If so then I guess I wont be getting it.

Picture.

Slippi84 · 08-21-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 1stGenTSi

I've decided on going with an hx35 but am having some trouble finding one. I've found a guy in town who upgraded his Dodge and has only the hx35 cartridge as he used the housings on the new turbo. He wants $100 for it. Anyone know where I could find a compressor cover for it? Would I need to order a rebuild kit as well in order to get the clips to put it all back together? I will be using the BEP housing (if theres any left that is.) Does this sound like a good idea or should I keep looking?

Good deal but not worth the trouble. Just keep looking you'll find a good one with everything you need. WOrse case you'll just need to buy a new hotside. That's what I did.

Slippi84 · 08-21-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by b00stedtalon2

Here's another HX52 I am about to buy. I always thought it was T4 though. Is it really a T6? If so then I guess I wont be getting it.

Picture.

That's looks like a T4 not a t6 but it's hard to tell without something to compare it too.

1stGenTSi · 08-21-2008, 12:46 PM

Err.. I can't find one used for less than $500. Add the ~$350 for the bep housing and oil lines and I'm closer to 1k than I want to be. I still need a new o2 housing and external gate as well. I found a diesel shop that has HX35's and 35/40 hybrids for $650 brand new. These are still pretty cheap for such a large turbo, but I'm getting jealous of the deals others are finding...

Slippi84 · 08-21-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 1stGenTSi

Err.. I can't find one used for less than $500. Add the ~$350 for the bep housing and oil lines and I'm closer to 1k than I want to be. I still need a new o2 housing and external gate as well. I found a diesel shop that has HX35's and 35/40 hybrids for $650 brand new. These are still pretty cheap for such a large turbo, but I'm getting jealous of the deals others are finding...

$350

Timsturbo's had them for like 180 when I bought my .70ar housing