so i finally built a tubular manifold.......

[all_motor_mike]

FINISHED PICS ON PAGE 2!


ts my first one besides the 2 log manifolds ive made. i think the design and fitment turned out pretty good for my first ever go. i was going to try a different design but it wasnt going to work so this is what i ended up with. the car is a 1g with the ported head i showed a while back, a 2.3 stroker, 280 cams dsm link etc. the turbo is a t3t4 60 trim so im guessing the turbo is going to be the limiting factor for power im guessing we may see 450-500whp at most. anyways there the background heres the pics..............

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what u guys think?


AMM

 

[crazy_skier]

def. different but I like. Just curious, whats up with the wastegate on the intake side instead of on the exhaust side of the turbo?? Wouldnt it be better for temps having it on the other side? Also, I would personally weld on two brace bars like the dnp manifold, just because it is such a long header that there will be extra stress on it... it shouldnt be to hard to do that either.

 

[stockfornow]

I think that looks cool!!! But one question I have is why would you want a WG on the side where the turbo sucks in air or where there will be an air intake?

 

[absolute_DSM]

THIS is why we need a fabrication forum like Honda Tech....

eh eh Chris?

 

[stockfornow]

Ok, other questions I have is what excatly welder are you using where did you get the pipes and everything else to able to do this? I'm looking to teach myself how to do this kind of stuf in the future... Pm me, Thanks.

 

[all_motor_mike]

well the w/g placement was just because i knew i wouldnt hit anythign on that side............ i still have to put it on the car and do the down pipe and am not sure of that just yet so thats why i threw it on the compressor side. once i do the DP and see what kind of room i have............... if i have the room ill put it on the hot side but if not ill leave it where its at (actually im going to lower a bit) and then run the dump tube bck down along the block. thanks for the good words thus far guys.


AMM

 

[sbiggi]

How low does that sit compared to the oil pan?
Any issues clearing the front motor mount?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

Not to bad mouth you, I don't how advanced your welding is but I it crack and open the welded spots and it may very well cause major damage to the engine. I'd be very careful how far you push it to.

 

[all_motor_mike]

How low does that sit compared to the oil pan?
Any issues clearing the front motor mount?

well the turbo mounts about 4" out away from the motor and 3" down from the fire deck of the block and the turbo mount flange is angled forward to clear the hump that runs parallel through the block and to give it a little more room down there next to the front mount. im not sure bout the actual clearance of the fron motor mount but if necessary ill design a new mount but honestly i dont think there will be an issue. i mounted the manifold and held the turbo in the approx spot of where it would sit before i cut the end of the collector and welded on the tubo mounting flange. at most i may trim a little away from the mount. ill find out and let everyone know.


AMM

 

[all_motor_mike]

Not to bad mouth you, I don't how advanced your welding is but I it crack and open the welded spots and it may very well cause major damage to the engine. I'd be very careful how far you push it to.

WTF WTF??? anyways im pretty good at welding if u get my drift and this manifold is getting fully backpurged when it gets welded up BTW.


AMM

 

[gsxtasy]

Not to bad mouth you, I don't how advanced your welding is but I it crack and open the welded spots and it may very well cause major damage to the engine. I'd be very careful how far you push it to.

English much?


Lookin real good. The rest of the welding should be fun. Good luck!

-Aaron

Edit: LoL, beat me to it. ^^

 

[Mr Peepers]

Awesome job! You do great work, I saw Bulletdsm's intake mani too

How are you going to finish welding all the seams? I could never figure out how to do that without anything getting in the way. The inside of the collector looks a bit tricky...

 

[all_motor_mike]

Awesome job! You do great work, I saw Bulletdsm's intake mani too

How are you going to finish welding all the seams? I could never figure out how to do that without anything getting in the way. The inside of the collector looks a bit tricky...

its just tacked together............. im going to seperate the collector and weld it all up, seperate the 1&4 and 2&3 runners and weld them up and the weld the 2&3 pipes onto the collector and head flange and then do the 1&4 pipes onto the collector and head flange.


AMM

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Wow, great work so far, I'm anxious to see the finished product! As for fitment, why is the turbo mounted so low? maybe my eyes deceive me but that looks like it's heading straight for the cross member? Also, is the turbo blocked correctly? How on earth are you going to fit a 90* elbow and a fan in there?!?

oh, and the most important question, when you are you going to make me one!?

 

[DSMunknown]

Mike, it looks f***ing awesome. I really like the transition pipe from the EM to the WG. I assume the runners are all equal-length. The only thing I would do differently is putting the WG pipe on the other side. But to each his own.

 

[sbiggi]

well the turbo mounts about 4" out away from the motor and 3" down from the fire deck of the block and the turbo mount flange is angled forward to clear the hump that runs parallel through the block and to give it a little more room down there next to the front mount. im not sure bout the actual clearance of the fron motor mount but if necessary ill design a new mount but honestly i dont think there will be an issue. i mounted the manifold and held the turbo in the approx spot of where it would sit before i cut the end of the collector and welded on the tubo mounting flange. at most i may trim a little away from the mount. ill find out and let everyone know.


AMM

Cool, hope it works out. If you have to do something to the front mount, I'd like to see what you come up with.

I saw your post on HondaTech. Bryson (Boostwerks) built my manifold.

 

[all_motor_mike]

Wow, great work so far, I'm anxious to see the finished product! As for fitment, why is the turbo mounted so low? maybe my eyes deceive me but that looks like it's heading straight for the cross member? Also, is the turbo blocked correctly? How on earth are you going to fit a 90* elbow and a fan in there?!?

oh, and the most important question, when you are you going to make me one!?

well this is going on a 1g so hopefully i dont have any of the issues that everyone keeps asking about. the turbo is that low because that was the only way i could get to keep my low ngle collector low angle and still not have to do wierd angle on all those elbows. it is heading straight for the CM but it doesnt hit. as for the clocking of the turbo we havent figured that out yet but like i said above once i get the down pipe done im gonna try and route the WG on that side so then there will be no questioning weather it will clear the rads or not because i could then angle the compresor outlet upwards. but if i dont route the WG on the other side then he is running slim line fans so i would figure something out. and last buy not least like stated above with the way i angled the turbo mounting flange there shouldnt be any issues with the front mount but if necessry i will trim it or even design and build a new front mount. thanks for the good words guys.


AMM

Cool, hope it works out. If you have to do something to the front mount, I'd like to see what you come up with.

I saw your post on HondaTech. Bryson (Boostwerks) built my manifold.

yeah i remember when he waasnt so hot at welding those manifolds together but hes damn good now.

Mike, it looks f***ing awesome. I really like the transition pipe from the EM to the WG. I assume the runners are all equal-length. The only thing I would do differently is putting the WG pipe on the other side. But to each his own.

the runners are not equal the 2&3 runners are approx 3" longer than the 1&4 runners.

 

[slowgsr]

I think that looks cool!!! But one question I have is why would you want a WG on the side where the turbo sucks in air or where there will be an air intake?

Its called a dumptube dude.

The wastegate placement is nice, it should regulate boost very well since the transition looks like it will be smooth if you take some time there.

Is this Schedule 40 pipe? Shouldn't need any braces once its done.

 

[stockfornow]

DUDE I know the difference between a dump tube and an air intake.... The thought I had is that area should be kept cool, rather than.... somebody else expalin....

 

[all_motor_mike]

it is sch 40 sir and in all actuality the WG placement is not going to affect a whole lot because after the air gets sucked into the turbo and forced out the nozzle its really going to heat up, u know.


AMM

 

[turboglenn]

Looks very nice so far. What spec is the tubing, where's you get teh flange and last of all.. are you planning on MIG ot TIG'ing it? I've seen some made from schdual 10 weld'eLs (or some name like that, it's steam fiting pipe) And i've seen migged ones hold up reall well, but the few i've seen tigged were just great.. no fixing a weld crack or naything ever. The cooler burn on the TIG really helps in maintaning strength in the metal around the weld. but you look like you know what you're doing so i'm just blabbing..Keep us updated!

 

[all_motor_mike]

its going to be tigged together, i wouldnt dare put a mig gun near that thing what its made of is up above

 

[ceedawg]

its my first one besides the 2 log manifolds ive made. i think the design and fitment turned out pretty good for my first ever go. i was going to try a different design but it wasnt going to work so this is what i ended up with. the car is a 1g with the ported head i showed a while back, a 2.3 stroker, 280 cams dsm link etc. the turbo is a t3t4 60 trim so im guessing the turbo is going to be the limiting factor for power im guessing we may see 450-500whp at most. anyways there the background heres the pics..............



AMM

I think you've done a nice job. The tubes look equal length as well. Definitely use a better turbo!!

 

[all_motor_mike]

I think you've done a nice job. The tubes look equal length as well. Definitely use a better turbo!!

thats not my call thats the owners call, i would have went with a 35r if it was me.


mike

 

[Slippi84]

Mike what made you get into 4g63 fabricating? The owner must have pictures of you doing something pretty good . j/k

Looks good how bout throwing on a diffrent flange and making them for owe idk a diffrent kind of eclipse/talon