Turbo chewed up?

[Eclipse223]

Hey guys my Forced Performance Ported BIGT28 I think is chewed up kind of bad. Here are some pictures of how it is chewed up, how much is this wheel hurting me like this? Its only 8 months old the turbo. How can it be this bad what could have hurt it this much? Do I need to get a new turbo???? Thanks Guys

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Thanks again.
Brien

 

[92awddsm]

pics dont work

 

[Eclipse223]

What about now?

 

[mobythevan]

Similar damage happened to my turbo last month and luckily I caught it quick and got a new compressor wheel put on it. The guy that fixed it also re-balanced, he said that a lot of times the shaft gets distorted and is not salvageable. Sometimes if the damage is very minimal they can work all the fins to rebalance and keep the same wheel, but mine was too far gone. I had to have it mailed out to someone in Arizona to be re-balanced, couldn't find anyone near me.

Its hard to tell in the pic, but it looks like one fin is missing a sizeable chunk, if so I would not run it, just look into fixing it.

 

[kenamond]

Damn! What happened?

It looks like it inhaled something. Do you have any shaft play?

Here's what my FP B28 looked like before I installed it:

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Anyway, it looks like the tips of half of the fins are gone, and there's damage to the leading edges, too. If that thing is out of balance, it's gonna tear itself apart. Remeber that these things run hundreds of thousands of RPM!! A bit out of balance and it's toast! If you can get a new compressor wheel or get that one fixed, it'd be cheaper than replacing the whole thing after it destroys itself.

 

[Eclipse223]

Ok, so who do I send it to and where do I get the wheel? And how much am I looking at to get this thing fixed?

 

[Eclipse223]

So with this turbo as it was I ran a 9.4 at 73 mph not bad for a turbo that looks like that .

 

[tstkl]

sent it to fp. As for the price, call them.


as for that time, isn't a 9.4 1/8 of a mile like a high 14 second quarter mile? Im not surprised it ran slower than stock times.

 

[halik008]

yeah you sucked something up?

Do you have the "extended warranty" from FP? if so they should fix it free of charge

 

[kenamond]

yeah you sucked something up?

Do you have the "extended warranty" from FP? if so they should fix it free of charge

Are you sure about that?

 

[halik008]

Are you sure about that?

well i'd have to see the FP policy wording, but most vendors have "no question asked" policy.

 

[diablos991]

I am pretty sure that the warranty does not include operator error. For turbos I have mostly seen a warranty due to manufaturers defect. Not towards turbos injesting something, or improper installation.

But you never know. Geve them a call and speak with them about it and see what kind of solution you guys can come up with.

 

[halik008]

I am pretty sure that the warranty does not include operator error. For turbos I have mostly seen a warranty due to manufaturers defect. Not towards turbos injesting something, or improper installation.

But you never know. Geve them a call and speak with them about it and see what kind of solution you guys can come up with.

not sure about FP...... but my Bullseye turbo comes with:

"12 month "No Hassle" Warranty

This is a 12 month / Unlimited Mileage "No Hassle" Warranty. It is available on any of our complete turbos and must be purchased along with your new turbocharger (no exceptions). This warranty will provide you with a replacement cartridge and housing(s), if necessary, with no questions asked. This is not a "Rebuild" or "Remanufacture". Forget all the lengthy "Warranty Disclaimers". Just simply send back your smoking, locked up, "oops" I must have done something wrong or otherwise non-working turbo and receive a replacement at no additional charge (shipping charges not included). After replacement of covered turbocharger, warranty is voided. A new 12 month contract may be purchased at this time. Normal shaft play that has not caused either wheel to contact the housing does not apply. Prices starting at $79.00?"

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Looks like your turbo sucked something up, and you're not going to get a warranty from FP with that.

Call them up. If there is no shaft play you probably just need a new compressor wheel and a rebalance. But if there is, it could be a bit more.

 

[Eclipse223]

No Shaft play at all.... Also how would I suck something up I have filters on and everything...? Any ideas I mean what could do that other then sucking something up. What about being off balanced or something like that. As for the install I had it done at a shop that works on Eclipses all the time so I know it was installed right but I am not going to pay another $200 this time for them to do it I am going to take it off my self and put it back on and I have never messed with taking a turbo off at all.... So I hope I can do it and I am going to have to do it by my self. So I am not sure how hard. It will be so if there is anyone that lives close to me that can help me do this it would be so great. Thanks Always guys.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

No Shaft play at all…. Also how would I suck something up I have filters on and everything…? Any ideas I mean what could do that other then sucking something up. What about being off balanced or something like that. As for the install I had it done at a shop that works on Eclipses all the time so I know it was installed right but I am not going to pay another $200 this time for them to do it I am going to take it off my self and put it back on and I have never messed with taking a turbo off at all…. So I hope I can do it and I am going to have to do it by my self. So I am not sure how hard. It will be so if there is anyone that lives close to me that can help me do this it would be so great. Thanks Always guys.

If it were off balance you'd have shaft play, and if you had shaft play, the tops of the inducers woudn't be damaged, the sides would as well as the sidewalls of the compressor inlet from the blades rubbing on them. The only thing that can cause the top of the inducers to look like that is it trying to get something past it and the item just bounces off.

 

[mobythevan]

Also how would I suck something up I have filters on and everything

One scenario is that the filter gets tossed on or under the workbench and then crap (small nuts washers, etc) fall in it before everything is re-installed. The piece of metal that chewed my turbo was still in the intake pipe when I took it apart, I heard it drop on the garage floor and then looked at the compressor wheel in disgust.

 

[Eclipse223]

Well guys I got the turbo off tonight after about 5 or 6 hours of work had no help at all so it took awhile but I got it off I did bend the top line that goes in to the turbo ugh…. Is that the oil line if so where do I get one and what do they coast. Also if it was that hard to take off how hard is it to put back on I would think it would be easer to put back on but I could be wrong…. Anyways guys thanks for all the help I am going to ship it out Monday morning and have it overnight by UPS so I hope I get it back by the end of the week. If not to bad, Here r some pictures.

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One other thing how bad was this hurting my Performance?

Thanks Again
Brien

 

[MrBoxx]

If it were off balance you'd have shaft play, and if you had shaft play, the tops of the inducers woudn't be damaged, the sides would as well as the sidewalls of the compressor inlet from the blades rubbing on them. The only thing that can cause the top of the inducers to look like that is it trying to get something past it and the item just bounces off.

If the shaft is to the point where it's totally loose in the housing, the tops of the inducers can hit the compressor housing and break off. I believe this is what happened in my T25's case: The fins bent over till they couldn't bend any more and broke.

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Now that the turbo is off, use a snap ring pliers and see if you can get the compressor housing off and inspect the rest of the compressor wheel for damage and shaft play.

Boosted98gsx, if you mean the actual top of the fins (where it looks roughed up in those pics) being the part that wouldn't be damaged from shaft play, then I agree: it looks like something got in there and bounced around for a while. I wasn't sure which top you meant in bold in the quote.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

I was talking about the tops of the fins you can touch close to the nut with the comp housing still on.

 

[MrBoxx]

That's what I thought you were talking about the more that I thought about it. Yeah, it looks like something chewed 'em up. Maybe the cat.

 

[Eclipse223]

Cat yep. !!!

 

[Eclipse223]

Hey guys well its at FP and they called me to day to tell me its going to cost me over $450 to get it fixed I was like WOW.... Its only 8 months old so I thought I might up grade to an 18G ok what's the deal with 18g's and please no talk about u might as well go with an evo3 or something like that. I love the 18g's I just want to know if I will bolt on to my manifold or if I will have to get another one and if the oil return line that I just bought for the FP BigT28 will work. If not oh well. So short and simple what will it take for me to put on an 18g? Thanks guys.




Brien

 

[Boosted98gsx]

You would be better off gettin an Evo316g. They flow more than 18g's.

 

[Eclipse223]

Did you not read my post.???!!!