50 Trim VS. 60-1

[4G63Boosted]

I know these are two completely different levels of turbos, but I need to ask this anyway. I can get either one of these for just about the same price, so I'm quite undecided. Although the 60-1 comes with no wastegate, so I would have to buy one of those. I really like the power capabilities of the 60-1, but I like the pump gas friendliness of the 50 trim. This will be a daily driven car, so that's something to keep in mind. If you could choose between the two for about the same price, which would you choose?

 

[Stapl3]

Depends what you want out of the car and what style of driving you do. If you're torn between these two you need to do more reading or thinking about how you drive the car, because these are not close to the same.

I personally have owned both these turbos. Both were fun in seperate ways you would expect. Not one is better than the other, that is all personal opinion because everyone drives differently with different vehicle goals.

 

[lasertim]

Like you said, you will have to consider the cost of the external gate and the o2 housing or manifold to support it. Also, since this will be a daily driver I think the choice is obvious.

I plan to go to a 50-trim or similar as my next upgrade since I want to keep my car pump gas worthy and streetable.

I vote 50-trim.

 

[4G63Boosted]

Well, since you've personally owned both, give me the highs and lows of both. That's the kind of things I'm looking for. Believe me, I've read and read on both of these turbos. My goals are no less than 400whp. I don't take the car to the track every weekend, I'm mainly looking for a very fast street car. I wouldn't mind having decent spool out of the turbo either, which is one reason I'm leaning towards the 50 trim. From what I've gathered, the 60-1 is going to be 4200+ before full boost.

lasertim, thanks for your input on this. The external gate is one of the things that's making me re-consider the 60-1. I figure that with the money saved from not having to buy that, I could get the injectors I'm going to need to run a turbo of this size.

 

[Lordpaxin]

I would shy away from Internal Gate on a bigger turbo.
but thats just me.

No matter what the question, there is going to the a thousand people who it didnt work well, and 1000 more that it was perfect.

 

[spoolup]

Also play into account the amount of boost you are going to safely run. I can not remeber where it was, but I want to say AGP? But "whoever" it was had a small write up about the 50 trim/ 60-1, and at lower boost levels (want to say 20) the 50 trim actually made more power on the same car (almost 30 HP more), but after upping the boost near or at 30 the 60-1 dominated. I personally would run a 50 or even better, a 60 trim. the 60-1 flamethrower in my eyes is like the old, but still true tested 20G. Yeah you can get them, but there are far superior more efficant turbos out there.

There is a 60 trim powered, stock bottom end, 264/264, ARP headstuds, ect ect, GST that ran 11.64 here at RMR (4200ft), want to say he had 126 trap speed. HIS CAR hauls ass. Good power on pump, and more power on race and more boost. I will host a video for you 4G63B.. after work (about 13 hours) and PM you the link.

 

[CanadianTSi]

My 50 trimmed car vs. my friends 60-1 car was pretty much even on the street on pump gas, that was back when I had a huge boost leak so were we were both spooling at the same time, now that I have my spool back I think I would be able to get a car or 2 on him at spoolup...

 

[zross1]

I've had both. I had a pte 50 trim and a agp 60-1. I honestly wasn't that impressed with my 50 trim, but I think it was more the crappy hot side of that turbo. I really like my 60-1,it's ok on pump. I can run about 20-21 psi on pump with a good FMIC. With dsmlink I log 42/43 lb/min and i'm at 4200 ft elevation. I now have methenol injecton and run 24 pounds and I see 45 lb/min with my 60-1. Spool wasn't that different for me between turbos. the 60-1 spooled maybe 300 rpm's slower.

The 60-1 is a very steetable turbo IMO. And the topend pull compared to the 50 trim is remarkable. I certainly wouldn't say that the 50 trim is a better "street turbo" except for the little 300-400 spool up difference. I understand for some people that is a concern, it's not for me. All things being equal you'll sacrifice a little spool time for a turbo that will perform just as well as a 50 trim on pump, but have the ability to blow the 50 trim away when you go to the track and crank up the boost.

If you don't plan on turning up the boost more then 25 psi on a internally gated turbo, you might want to go with the 50 trim. But trust me, once you get either turbo, when you go to the track your going to wish you could turn up the boost past 25 psi and with a internal gate you'll be s.o.l.

 

[RavenX]

I agree if you can go external do it. Internal gates suck past 25psi in my experience.

 

[4G63Boosted]

Going external wouldn't be a big problem, as I can mount it to my O2 housing, and I can do all the fab work, so the only cost would be the WG itself. I just hope I don't have to take out a fan or anything like that. If you're saying that the spool up between the two isn't insanely different, then it's not going to bother me that it's a little slower. I'm FWD anyway, so a little lag won't hurt. Thanks for all you guys help and opinions.

 

[v2ner]

Auto-X = 50-trim/Green (this is the type of turbo that pulls you out of corners. Internal gates on these are ok but not on anything bigger) good with race gas too.

Drag = 60-1 (streetable IMO, definitely better with race gas)

I owned both at one point or another too.

 

[4G63Boosted]

v2ner, good advice. I'm looking to build more of a straight line/top end car anyway. With the 60-1, what size injectors would be good? 850s? Or bigger?

 

[RavenX]

v2ner, good advice. I'm looking to build more of a straight line/top end car anyway. With the 60-1, what size injectors would be good? 850s? Or bigger?

If you have dsmlink go with 950's if not 850's will be sufficient.

 

[v2ner]

Before people start throwing out injector sizes......oh wait...nevermind. Anywaz, this depends on what octane rating and what psi you're going for. High psi usually means you'll need bigger injectors. Higher octane rating will compensate for the bigger injectors if you have small ones. Keep in mind, the 60-1 comes to life @~25psi. I would go with no less than 650ccs. I ran mine with 720ccs but that was with 110 octane @28psi. Make sure you have all the fuel you need: injectors, pump, tuning device, etc...Last but not least, tuning. Good luck.