Sleeper 16g... Is It Junk??

[BOOSTIN21]

alright i bought a sleeper 16g from a guy on this site. its a FP sleeper 16g, a 20g stuffed into td05 housing. the guy told me the turbo was in great shape. get it and it looks clean. i take it to a local shop, where the guy who owns it has a shop car thats a DSM and mainly works on them. he looked at it and pointed out that the compressor wheel fins were bent and folded over a bit on the ends. turbine housing has 1 huge crack in it right by the wastegate flapper and 3-4 cracks in the turbine inlet. he also said the shaft was tight which it is kinda sloppy. the local shop said i should try to get my money back and he wouldnt give me more than 100 bucks. i paid 640 for the turbo.
basically it looks like the guy sucked something up. the compressor wheel might also be rubbing on the housing.
Local guys chime in please especially if you know Jake and the work he does at TSP. if you guys want pics i can get them. i am doing this to try to help get my money back.

any info is more than appreciated. thanks guys

 

[Tom N]

It needs rebuilt.
I would try and get your money back or get the guy you bought from to pay FP to rebuild it.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

thank you... please guys more opinions on this your 2 cents counts. i think he pressure washed it. now i dont know but that does not sound good.
is the compressor wheel/turbine wheel supposed to spin a little if i pushed it with my finger? because it doesnt.

 

[ltho98]

do you mean that the wheel is not moving at all?

Regardless, sounds like you got screwed buddy. Time to find some retribution.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

yeah what i mean is that the wheel barely spins maybe like 30 degrees past where my finger would let go of it. so not much. pics are next
also checked shaft play i dont know what is normal but this has 1/8th inch shaft play, he told me it was tight and had average turbo shaft play. lots a pics coming

 

[BOOSTIN21]

here are the pics:

 

[BOOSTIN21]

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come on guys i need all the input i can get
i thought placing pics would help

 

[Sharkcus]

Honestly? It doesn't look that bad. Those cracks happen. I don't think I've ever seen a used 14b/16g without them.

As far as the blades go, they aren't that bad. My exhaust blades were worse than that and my car boosted just fine for a long time. It looks like it had a bit of shaft play at one time, or maybe put together incorrectly and it scraped the side a little. Maybe it was rebuilt after that. 1/8" shaft play up and down isn't bad. Does it move in and out at all? That is bad.

 

[ShapeGSX]

Run it.

 

[BaddAssGst]

Honestly? It doesn't look that bad. Those cracks happen. I don't think I've ever seen a used 14b/16g without them.

As far as the blades go, they aren't that bad. My exhaust blades were worse than that and my car boosted just fine for a long time. It looks like it had a bit of shaft play at one time, or maybe put together incorrectly and it scraped the side a little. Maybe it was rebuilt after that. 1/8" shaft play up and down isn't bad. Does it move in and out at all? That is bad.

Run it.

I'm going to disagree. If I just paid 640 dollars for a turbo, I would expect that to be in much better shape. Granted it is used and that's what you get for buying used items but come on, I would definitely not run that thing. You paid 640 dollars for a turbo that might last you a month or a year.

How many miles did he say were on it? I've seen housings that aren't cracked after 15-20k miles so that would make me think it's higher mileage.

Final decision is up to you and the seller. Used is used if you didn't ask questions like that although I can tell you I would be pretty pissed off if I received something like that. I'd see if he'll take it back, that's your best bet. Hell you can get a brand new 18g for that price. I'd say you got screwed.

 

[Sharkcus]

I was not arguing about the price. The turbo itself isn't in THAT bad condition. I would run it.

However, paying that much for a turbo in that kind of condition is wrong. If he told you it had 10k on it and there were no cracks and the fins were A-OK, that is dead wrong and you should get your money back. However, if he sold you a "used turbo" and that was all you knew about it, I wouldn't expect much more than what you received.

I should also add that I paid $100 for a big16g in the same shape as yours. It worked just fine, but my point is I only paid $100.

 

[BaddAssGst]

I was not arguing about the price. The turbo itself isn't in THAT bad condition. I would run it.

However, paying that much for a turbo in that kind of condition is wrong. If he told you it had 10k on it and there were no cracks and the fins were A-OK, that is dead wrong and you should get your money back. However, if he sold you a "used turbo" and that was all you knew about it, I wouldn't expect much more than what you received.

I should also add that I paid $100 for a big16g in the same shape as yours. It worked just fine, but my point is I only paid $100.

Agreed. It all depends what he told you in the original transaction.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

SHARKCUS,
i am going to have to disagree with your first post. yeah some 14b's and 16g's have cracks all used one do. but this kid told me it was a fresh rebuild. this was not scraped together do you honestly think that Forced Performance would just throw a turbo together and sell it for 1200 brand new. this is a mut turbo td06 20g stuffed into a td05h housing from a 14b/16g.

did you even look at that compressor wheel thata terrible remember he said IT WAS JUST REBUILT. there should be minimal shaft play less than 1/8th inch. there should not be any curled fins, no chipped fins. I aske dthe questions that everyone else would ask. he made me feel like i could tryust him and i have seen him on the site before. Put yourself in my shoes guys, would you trust a turbo that looked like that, that compressor wheel obviously got that way from sucking something up or excessive shaft play.

hell guys i have the original 14b on my galant with 135k it has less shaft play and the compressor wheel is in better shape, the cracks in the frickin turbine housing arent as bad as the one by the flapper door in the sleeper 16g.

 

[Sharkcus]

SHARKCUS,
i am going to have to disagree with your first post. yeah some 14b's and 16g's have cracks all used one do. but this kid told me it was a fresh rebuild. this was not scraped together do you honestly think that Forced Performance would just throw a turbo together and sell it for 1200 brand new. this is a mut turbo td06 20g stuffed into a td05h housing from a 14b/16g.

did you even look at that compressor wheel thata terrible remember he said IT WAS JUST REBUILT. there should be minimal shaft play less than 1/8th inch. there should not be any curled fins, no chipped fins. I aske dthe questions that everyone else would ask. he made me feel like i could tryust him and i have seen him on the site before. Put yourself in my shoes guys, would you trust a turbo that looked like that, that compressor wheel obviously got that way from sucking something up or excessive shaft play.

hell guys i have the original 14b on my galant with 135k it has less shaft play and the compressor wheel is in better shape, the cracks in the frickin turbine housing arent as bad as the one by the flapper door in the sleeper 16g.

It depends on how you define rebuild. Did he purchase an "ebay rebuild kit"? I just don't know all the details that you do on this. If you sent that turbine housing into FP, they probably would replace it because of the cracking, but not if he rebuilt it himself. Did he specifically say that FP rebuilt it? If he said it was "just rebuilt" by FP, he is lying. It certainly wasn't. Then again, why would he sell a turbo that was "just rebuilt" by FP for $600 when they sell the same ones for $1200? Or did I misunderstand you? Yes, I did look at it. It's not THAT bad. The turbo is usable. Thats the key word. I don't think you planned to buy a "usable" turbo that you could just get by with. You wanted a nice one in great shape. If it isn't what he claimed it is, then send it back. A tiny bit of side to side shaft play is 100% normal for any turbo, new or rebuilt. Anything over 1/8" is unacceptable. I totally agree with you. It isn't a "NEW", "LIKE NEW", or "PROFESSIONALLY REBUILT" turbo by any stretch. In the rebuild process, the damaged items should be replaced.

If you paid $600 for a freshly rebuilt turbo, you didn't get one. I would request your money back.

I wouldn't pay much more than $100 for a turbo in that condition.

 

[Sharkcus]

Ok, I just re-read your initial post. "great shape" is a bit on the subjective side. Is that exactly what he said? He may have meant "It's in great shape for a 3 years old turbo". Did he specifically say that the turbine wheel/compressor wheel were perfect? I am trying to figure out if it was actual deception or just a miscommunication.

 

[DSM90AWD]

Did he specifically say that the turbine wheel/compressor wheel were perfect? I am trying to figure out if it was actual deception or just a miscommunication.

Damaged fins = junk turbo. I don't see how a fan traveling at 100,000 RPM+ with damaged fins would not prematurely destroy bearings and eventually eat the housing.

Most turbo shops will give it a "free look" if you want a second opinion. Or contact them directly and offer to send a pic of the blades

 

[ShapeGSX]

Ok, let me re-state "run it." I'd run it if it were my turbo and that happened as a result of something I did. If I bought that turbo and it was supposedly in great shape, I'd be pissed and I'd send it back.

 

[Sharkcus]

Ok, let me re-state "run it." I'd run it if it were my turbo and that happened as a result of something I did. If I bought that turbo and it was supposedly in great shape, I'd be pissed and I'd send it back.

Agreed.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

Sharkcus-- yeah he said it was just rebuilt by FP everything works great, bearing is extremely tight not to tight that the wheels cant spin but its nice. guess what SPOOLxExO it doesnt spin much. guys those were as close to accurate of words i can remember him saying. he told me it was a fresh rebuild.

DSM90AWD-- thank you for chiming in having a wiseman reply is a huge help.

if anyone knows the shop i am talking about, then you know he is very very knowledgable to a point. he thouroughly inspected the turbo and he told me to dispute it on paypal. i tried to apparently it didn't fit their guidlines and they wont let me send another dispute. so now i have to call and give them the 3 threads i have posted on 3 differant sites.

honestly you all are making me feel really good about this whole situation and i really hope this goes in my favor. thank you so much everyone

 

[94awdcoupe]

The cracks in the turbine housing are not a big deal. The compressor blade hit the side of the housing. No turbo rebuilder would have reused that wheel in a rebuild. I would suspect a home rebuild job to tighten the shaft back up. It likely won't last a day on your car. Don't run this turbo. Get your money back.

 

[Sharkcus]

Sharkcus-- yeah he said it was just rebuilt by FP everything works great, bearing is extremely tight not to tight that the wheels cant spin but its nice. guess what SPOOLxExO it doesnt spin much. guys those were as close to accurate of words i can remember him saying. he told me it was a fresh rebuild.

DSM90AWD-- thank you for chiming in having a wiseman reply is a huge help.

if anyone knows the shop i am talking about, then you know he is very very knowledgable to a point. he thouroughly inspected the turbo and he told me to dispute it on paypal. i tried to apparently it didn't fit their guidlines and they wont let me send another dispute. so now i have to call and give them the 3 threads i have posted on 3 differant sites.

honestly you all are making me feel really good about this whole situation and i really hope this goes in my favor. thank you so much everyone

Is your paypal account attached to your credit card or bank account? If it is attached to your CC, just call your credit card company up and dispute it. Paypal won't be happy about it, but you will get your money back.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

it was my girlfriends account. an dit payment went through her debit card, which is through her bank account. can we go to the bank and hav ethem take care of it?
man you are a huge help Sharkcus. thank you so much. i sent the kids dad a link to the threads so he can check it out. he asked for more than one opinion and he got about 50.
he might be getting banned from galantvr4.org also.

thanks again

still open to more comments.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

well the kid and his pappy said that i can send it to FP to get it rebuilt and they will pay for it. what do you guys think? is it worth it? what kind of turn around should i expect. since there is extensive damage on both wheels (turbine, compressor) and it has shaft play will they replace eveything. i wrote FP an email. the only good piece on the turbo is the compressor housing. what do u guys think

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Get a quote from FP and have them send you money first. This way you can protect your ass from getting messed with a second time.

 

[Stapl3]

I would suspect a home rebuild job to tighten the shaft back up. It likely won't last a day on your car.

What is this suspicion based on? I have seen way way worse run.