Buying my first wideband. Any thoughts?

DeadlyScone · 02-24-2012, 09:02 PM

Going to buy my first WB tonight, from ExtremePSI It looks like it comes with everything EXCEPT the bung to weld in, but my guess is an exhaust shop would have one they can weld on. Is this a good buy? sensor? kit in general?

I really like this type of gauge btw.

Boomdeeze · 02-24-2012, 09:06 PM

That is the one that I run in my car and I love it. I actually think it came with a bung and everything to install it.

BurrowZ · 02-24-2012, 09:07 PM

This is what I'm running, and don't get me wrong it's nice and all, but most people on here will tell you to run an Innovate LC1.

Reasons being the UEGO has trouble with readings in Link. I noticed you have V3, and if I were you I would highly consider the Innovate.

Boomdeeze · 02-24-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BurrowZ

This is what I'm running, and don't get me wrong it's nice and all, but most people on here will tell you to run an Innovate LC1.

Reasons being the UEGO has trouble with readings in Link. I noticed you have V3, and if I were you I would highly consider the Innovate.

I run mine with V3 and don't have any problems with it running with link. There are two different AEM widebands you can select when getting it to read through V3, they may have the wrong one selected.

DeadlyScone · 02-24-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomdeeze

I run mine with V3 and don't have any problems with it running with link. There are two different AEM widebands you can select when getting it to read through V3, they may have the wrong one selected.

So this will work, and this is what you have in your car?

Boomdeeze · 02-24-2012, 09:12 PM

Yes that is the exact one that I run in my car and yes it will work with V3. I have heard the LC1 is another good wideband but I have never run it or know anyone that has.

DeadlyScone · 02-24-2012, 09:21 PM

Thanks for the replies. Just bought it.

WES_393 · 02-24-2012, 10:12 PM

As an AEM UEGO user, I wouldn't advise getting one. I have tried all of the UEGO wideband inputs on DSMLink V3 and haven't gotten a single one to work correctly. It constantly reads +/- .2 difference between the gauge and the log (which is a very common problem). ECM Tuning has even stated in their Wiki that they don't recommend using the UEGO and they have considered dropping the UEGO support entirely from DSMLink.

SPYDERGSTTUNER · 02-24-2012, 10:23 PM

I have, well had the innovate mtxl wide band before my car was broken into 2 weeks ago

and it worked great with link plus is all in the gauge itself so you don't have the controller separate.

LiquidX · 02-24-2012, 10:47 PM

The Innovate MTXL is pretty much one if the best "budget" wideband setups out there now for us.

AEM is junk compared to it.

atownturbo · 02-24-2012, 11:15 PM

Damn didn't read it in time. I just ordered mine off of Amazon for 170 shipped.

Imback · 02-25-2012, 12:01 AM

All you ugeo users will cry when the gauge doesn't match the log.

WES_393 · 02-25-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Imback

All you ugeo users will cry when the gauge doesn't match the log.

I didn't cry, I'm a big boy.

. But it is definitely a huge pain to try and tune when your gauge reads different than your logs. It's driving me crazy enough to order an MTXL.

DeadlyScone · 02-25-2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by atownturbo

Damn didn't read it in time. I just ordered mine off of Amazon for 170 shipped.

Yo, you never replied to me. Did you want to hang out sometime?

MichaelSuch · 02-25-2012, 12:08 AM

Using an Innovate LC1 here. No issues with it. They also claim the response times with the Innovate Widebands are much faster. It was easy to setup and log with in link. If I had to buy another one for my other car I would definitely go with an LC1.

Imback · 02-25-2012, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by WES_393

I didn't cry, I'm a big boy.

. But it is definitely a huge pain to try and tune when your gauge reads different than your logs. It's driving me crazy enough to order an MTXL.

lol. I've tuned cars before by just looking at the gauge but tuning your own car like that is a fail. I had a ugeo years ago and swore i would never recommend one ever again. I only had 1 car i tuned that was only.2 off but that's still to much in my eyes.

DeadlyScone · 02-25-2012, 12:20 AM

Doe anyone have a link to a good kit? For tje LC1 that is

Imback · 02-25-2012, 12:28 AM

Spell check works wonders... Just saying

Innovate LC-1 Wideband o2 With Db Red Gauge UEGO | eBay

DeadlyScone · 02-25-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Imback

Spell check works wonders... Just saying

Innovate LC-1 Wideband o2 With Db Red Gauge UEGO | eBay

sorry that was on my iTouch,
what about this one?
MTX-L Wideband O2 Digital Air/fuel Ratio Gauge

EDIT: any websites that i can buy off?

Imback · 02-25-2012, 12:40 AM

Have not had a chance to really tune with one yet but they look accurate. As for a site EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

Evo_This · 02-25-2012, 02:01 AM

I brought my LC1 from VR Speed Factory for $185 shipped during a sale. Check them out or go right to the Innovate site.

LiquidX · 02-25-2012, 03:45 AM

No longer refer the LC1, it's the old model. The MTXL is the upgraded controller and it's still an LC1 module. Unless you want a DB gauge, stop referring it and refer the MTXL.

ColtiXim · 02-25-2012, 04:06 AM

I have upgraded to the MTXL from my AEM UEGO.
I have the buffer circuit from ECMLink, but i dont need any problem for my tune...

MTXL is very recommended by ECMLink users.

DeadlyScone · 02-25-2012, 04:52 AM

been reading around on placement, and what to do with the narrowband. I figured i would install it somewhere after my turbo and before the flex section. I also read something about the narrowband sensor is not needed if you have a WB? Can someone please clue me in on this. Or even a really in detail install of a WB w/ ECMlink.

LiquidX · 02-25-2012, 05:20 AM

With the MTXL, it has a narrow band output signal you can hook up to to the front o2 wire at the ECU. This will enable narrow band simulation so you don't need a stock sensor.
ECMLink v3 has NBS built in some you can use it that way as well.

I run NBS and have my sensor installed in the front o2 bung.

DeadlyScone · 02-25-2012, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidX

With the MTXL, it has a narrow band output signal you can hook up to to the front o2 wire at the ECU. This will enable narrow band simulation so you don't need a stock sensor.
ECMLink v3 has NBS built in some you can use it that way as well.

I run NBS and have my sensor installed in the front o2 bung.

Well, I will be having the AEM WB. So should i just leave the NB alone? Whats the purpose of getting rid of it?

Seamus · 02-25-2012, 05:58 AM

I have always used zeitronix in the past and loved it. I was one of their first custmers when the zt2 was introduced. At It was the first wideband on the market for under $700 dollars at the time and was a big deal! I plan on buying an innovate Lc1 in the next few weeks. I've never used or installed wideband gauges in my cars, i just log and these newer kits with the controller in the cable is exactly what I need.

Rob88 · 02-25-2012, 06:02 AM

EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

this is way better. i have used the AEM the LC-1 and this and it is far Superior. and cheap...easiest to install. fastest and most accurate.

Boomdeeze · 02-25-2012, 07:53 AM

Like I said before, I have heard good things about the MTX-L but have never ran it before so I couldn't comment on that. It's weird that all you guys have had so much trouble with the UEGO wideband, mine seems to read the same on both the gauge and in link. Maybe I got lucky?

LiquidX · 02-25-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomdeeze

Like I said before, I have heard good things about the MTX-L but have never ran it before so I couldn't comment on that. It's weird that all you guys have had so much trouble with the UEGO wideband, mine seems to read the same on both the gauge and in link. Maybe I got lucky?

I never ran it but Corey (Gofer) used to run one and he may still have it, but was discussing it's issues with Link.

The controller for the UEGO is just below the LC1 controller (same controller that the MTXL uses) but, there are many differences that make it inferior.

Unable to program the controller/gauge
Unable to re/calibrate
Too narrow of a sweep range

The only positive thing it has for it over the MTXL is a photosensitive eye to auto adjust the display.