Tuning Help And Advice

[RonRonTSI]

Ok so here is what I have to tune with. I have dsmlink v2 a maft and a autometer a/f gauge. Can I tune with that? If so where do I start. Money is tight right now and I want my car to run good. When I hit about 5 pounds of boost my car bucks like it doesnt want to go no where. And also when I let off the throttle and hit it again it back fires. Any ideas? Im trying to learn I could use some help. Thanks

Motor-

Built 2.0
wiseco race pistons
crower rods
8:5:1 compression
O ringed
clevite 77 bearings
polished crank
bse kit
new front case
new water pump
new oil pump
1990 external oil cooler

Head-

Oem rebuilt
Fp2 cams
jmfab race intake mani
stock throttle body

turbo-

ebay ball bearing 50 trim
Greddy Type R bov
Tial 38mm WG
SFP t3 manifold
Custom 3" vband downpipe
extreme motorsports 3" exhaust
custom spearco front mount 4.5 thick
3" upper pipe and 2.5 lower pipe 1600 hp rated

Fuel-

Dual intank fuel pump 2 hp 255 walboros -6an to y block
-8an steel braided lines from y block to rail
summit racing fuel filter 1000 micron
precison 780cc injectors
aeromotive fpr
aem fuel rail w/ fuel pressure gauge

Management-

Dsmlink v2
launch control set to 5,5k
antilag setup
no lift to shift
3.5' gm maf
maf translator
apexi turbo timer

 

[spyderturbo007]

Absolutely you can tune with the WBO2 and DSMLink. Make sure you have your WBO2 analog output wired into the ECU so you can log. Then take a look at the DSMLink Wiki which will guide you through the beginning steps of starting your tune.

 

[bling5tatus]

It looks like he said he just has an autometer af gauge.

If that IS the case, then I would seriously look into getting a wideband. No matter what you try to tune with you're going to NEED a wideband, and if you're trying to tune a turbo car for high boost w/o a wideband I'd liken that to trying to find a needle in a hay stack.

You're probably bucking from a boost leak or running far too rich or lean...

 

[spyderturbo007]

bling5status is correct. For some reason my brain was thinking AEM not autometer when I read that.

 

[RonRonTSI]

I guess im going to have to get a wideband if there is no other way.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Yes thats what you need a wideband, what kind you looking for? Im going for the innovative because it is going to work well with link when i do get it.

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

sounds like you have a boost leak.

 

[bling5tatus]

Yes thats what you need a wideband, what kind you looking for? Im going for the innovative because it is going to work well with link when i do get it.

ANY tuning system worth it's salt should be able to use native wideband to do closed loop (being that narrow band sensors are pretty crappy). Innovate is what I use, and it's what i would consider to be the best. AEM wideband's have issues w/ their analogue output being a different signal than what the gauge displays.

 

[spyderturbo007]

You don't have to get a WBO2 to tune with DSMLink, but it makes life easier.

 

[bling5tatus]

I wouldn't tune anything turbo w/o using a wideband... really you're shooting yourself in the foot if you do because there is NO way to know exactly what your AFR is.

If you want to tune your car for lots of power, you will need a wideband... otherwise you're just trying to make a baseball land somewhere in the ball park....

 

[spyderturbo007]

I did it for 5 years with the SAFC and a logger pushing up to 20psi without a problem.

 

[turbolarry]

It wasn't that long ago that we really didn't have affordable widebands. You can get a decent tune by logging the timing curve, knock, egt's, tps, rpm's, and narrowband O2's.
Will you know your exact AFR? No.
Will you be able to find the ragged edge and eek out the last pony? No.
Can you make your car run well at an efficient boost level and remain safe? Yes.


PS
Should you make fun of how old I am? No.

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

ANY tuning system worth it's salt should be able to use native wideband to do closed loop (being that narrow band sensors are pretty crappy). Innovate is what I use, and it's what i would consider to be the best. AEM wideband's have issues w/ their analogue output being a different signal than what the gauge displays.

Innovatives are worse about that than AEM.

It wasn't that long ago that we really didn't have affordable widebands. You can get a decent tune by logging the timing curve, knock, egt's, tps, rpm's, and narrowband O2's.
Will you know your exact AFR? No.
Will you be able to find the ragged edge and eek out the last pony? No.
Can you make your car run well at an efficient boost level and remain safe? Yes.


PS
Should you make fun of how old I am? No.

I was starting to think I was the only one still around from that era!

I remember when the cheapest wideband was $1000 and everyone had an EGT gauge. Seems like only yesterday. And I want to believe I'm not old.

 

[RonRonTSI]

well yeah so how do I tune with out one?

 

[bling5tatus]

Innovatives are worse about that than AEM.

Well... my LC-1 is just a sensor and controller... two analogue outputs... there is absolutely NO difference in the two outputs... where as the AEM UEGO units have the gauge/controller as one unit... and the gauge/controller displays a different afr than the analogue output does. Their white papers are wrong, and the uego's are not programmable to change what afr they display for a certain voltage.

 

[RonRonTSI]

I just bought a innovate wideband. now what?