Best Price On Hks Vpc

jdmawd · 05-22-2002, 04:40 AM

the best price i have found, on the hks vpc is 1k(with chip). anyone know where i can find a cheaper price (NEW),im not looking for a used one.

rdrkt · 05-22-2002, 06:20 AM

That is just about the best deal I have found too. I would love to talk you out of getting a VPC though its so not worth it.

jdmawd · 05-22-2002, 06:26 AM

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I would love to talk you out of getting a VPC though its so not worth it.

shoot?

rdrkt · 05-22-2002, 06:59 AM

Now I will start this of saying that I know that Buschur and a lot of other people have had success running VPCs but I think they are way over spending. When you get a VPC you will still need an AFC or a GCC because its very easy to “drive off of the map”. The VPC does not like fuel pressure changes either.

The biggest reason that I don’t like the VPC is that it gets to be very expensive while not giving you enough. Lets break down the cost. You need an afc of a gcc to help to tune the spots where you have driven off the vpc chip. You will need a TMO modded Ecu to get rid of the rev limiter etc and you will need some sort of datalogger to tell you what is going on Total cost somewhere around the 1800+ range. And after all of that you still have to deal with trying to continually outwit the ecu. No thanks.

Or for the same price you can get a AEM unit where you would be able to have total control over you fuel map including timing (which is very important when making safe power on pump gas). The AEM has unit has better knock control. You also get much better datalogging that can actually read past 8k rpms. Also depending on where you get it I bet you may be able to sneak in an ignition upgrade and still be cheaper than the VPC, GCC, TMO, Pocketlogger combo.

I always love to see what the big guys are doing and try to make my basis from there so lets take a look at the what the big boys are running Shepherd EFI which is more or less the AEM, Hill is running the Haltech and of course Buschur is running the VPC.

As far as tuning goes. Everyone is afraid of going standalone because its so hard to tune. I really don’t think that is the case. The hardest part is initially setting up the map after that any reasonably intelligent person can figure it out from there. Also there are enough people in our area that would be more than capable of properly setting up and tuning a standalone. Or if you don’t like that there are a lot of maps available on line in the tuning forums.

jdmawd · 05-22-2002, 08:15 AM

What shep,and hill are using for fuel management are of no concern to me. There setups are HUGELY different from mine.(lets keep in mind my car will always remain a street car) the AFC i already have, having to out wit the ECU? This is the first I have heard of that. from those I have spoken to that use the vpc it is highly recommended.

rdrkt · 05-22-2002, 08:24 AM

I think people highly recommend it because it is very easy to setup and tune much more so than any standalone. When I say outwit look at all the hoops you have to jump through to get the timing where you want it that is one good example. Controlling when the fans come on is another.

Also don’t forget that datalogging aspect. I went out to tune the other week and I could read anything above 7999! That sucks to say the very least. The biggest chance of popping a motor comes over 8k and the stupid ecu cant read any higher.

I just look at the two bottom lines 1800+ 1500ish and base it off of that. The bang for the buck is just not there for me so when I see an AEM setup cheap I am going to jump on it.

NJGSX96 · 05-22-2002, 09:18 AM

If all parts are new, I wouldn't recommend getting all that. The VPC is a great tool and an excellent mod, but is so overpriced. It's selling point is ease of use along with performance gain, but for all that money, it has very little bang for the buck. Once it is in though, you will change your outlook on it. I have the VPC/AFC/TMO Stage III Chip/Logger for my 1G, but I got everything used and spent $1050 total. Not a bad deal if you ask me, which is why I went with it. At first I was skeptical, but have come to love the setup and do recommend the package if it is in one's budget. I love mine. It is a proven setup that is basic plug and play, which many people like about it, so that helps too. I have not heard of, nor anyone else I know heard of, the VPC not liking fuel pressure change. Could be just me and my circle of friends. Anything is possible. Also, if you have the TMO chip, you can read past 8000rpms on the logger using the TMO rpm. You can also set the boost gauge to read knock which is nice, not to mention the cut removals are key. And once you set it, you can forget it. I have yet to change my settings since I tuned. Continually outwitting the ECU is not necessary (although that is basically what it is doing if that is what you meant), unless you meant something different? Like I said, if you got the money, go for it. VPC/AFC combo is awesome. You will not be disappointed.

However, rdrkt (sorry I don't know your name) makes some really good points. It is an expensive option and yes, there are other management systems to consider. I have no experience with the AEM or any other standalones, so I cannot say bad or good things about them. I have only heard good things about the AEM though so that could be an option too. With total control, sky is the limit. Can't beat that feature.

One final thing on tuning. I hate when people say, "it is a b!tch to tune.", or something similar, and have nothing to back it up. Rdrkt is right. Tuning is not hard. Tuning takes time. It isn't hard, but it is time consuming, and that can get frustrating, but it isn't hard. Whether you are using an AFC, VPC, VPC/AFC, AEM, etc etc, they all have their time constraints. yes, some have more fuctions than others, but read the manual. Ask questions. Take your time. Tuning is not hard, and can actually be fun and educational, not to mention rewarding. We all have these great resources and people with vast knowledge who are willing to always help out. Use them all and tuning will be a breeze.

jdmawd · 05-22-2002, 09:27 AM

NJGSX96

you're comments, are exactly what i have been told be vpc users. i have a guy that i have done business with in the past, that is selling a vpc(he is the only person i trust to buy used electronics from) if he changes his mind, i will just have to get a new one for a grand

rdrkt · 05-22-2002, 09:48 AM

The reason that I said that the VPC doesn’t love fuel pressure changes is that if you have a chip calibrated for a 660 injector and up the FP now its like you are running a larger injector. Which I guess isn’t that big of a problem if you have an afc to fix the spots on the map.

Rich I have a pocketlogger and a TMO ecu and it wont read past 8k is that a limitation of my logger or my ecu? Maybe I should check for updated software.

Anyway good thread guys.

NJGSX96 · 05-22-2002, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by rdrkt
The reason that I said that the VPC doesn’t love fuel pressure changes is that if you have a chip calibrated for a 660 injector and up the FP now its like you are running a larger injector. Which I guess isn’t that big of a problem if you have an afc to fix the spots on the map.

Rich I have a pocketlogger and a TMO ecu and it wont read past 8k is that a limitation of my logger or my ecu? Maybe I should check for updated software.

Anyway good thread guys.

Good point on the FP. I didn't even think of that. AFC should clear that up, like you said.

I think it is a limitation of your logger. I am using the TMO chip with the TMO logger (laptop). Don't know about the Pocketlogger (is it from www.pocketlogger.com or is it Todd's software?). I know for the TMO software, laptop-wise, there is a selection for TMO chip specific stuff that Todd incorporated into the chip/logger and one of them is increased rpm logger. Goes to 10K I believe.

Ludachris · 05-22-2002, 10:59 AM

great thread guys!

jdmawd · 05-26-2002, 06:54 PM

I just wanted to say thanks for the input guys. I decided to go with the vpc,and buschur cold air system. for two reasons 1 it just works, and two from what I understand its going to be discontinued very soon. Ill try to take some install PICS when it arrives.

Blitz · 05-28-2002, 08:00 AM

Good choice the VPC is very easy to use and has proven to run fast on alot street driven fast DSMs and Supras. Standalone are good too, but not for everyone. MVP motorsports sells them brand new for $975
http://mvpmotorsports.com/default.asp

NJGSX96 · 05-28-2002, 08:02 AM

The VPC is going to be discontinued soon?

rdrkt · 05-28-2002, 01:44 PM

Yes it looks like the supply suddenly vanished for add on electronics. Hill told me no vpc no afc. And still no AEM EMS grrr.

jdmawd · 05-29-2002, 05:19 AM

NJGSX96:

from what i have been told, it will be discontinued very soon. thats one reason i decided to buy it NOW, and not a bit later. the vpc is a item i dont really want to buy used

NJGSX96 · 05-29-2002, 07:54 AM

I hear ya. used electronics are a shaky deal. I only did it because I know the guy I bought mine from. You should be very pleased when you get it all in. Are you hooking up the AFC with it or a GCC?

When is yours coming in? Or is it on back order? If it is, I have a friend who has one or two in stock.

jdmawd · 05-29-2002, 01:10 PM

IM going to use the safc since its already in the car and wired up. Machv told me they had 4 left. so I guess dan was referring to his supplier, because when I went up there to pay for the vpc and buschur cold air pipe. They both had to be ordered. I know the buschur cold air is a made to order product.

jw · 05-29-2002, 08:44 PM

rdrkt, when do you think we will see AEM EMS for 1G. I have been told it's out but never heard it on a 1G yet.

jw · 05-29-2002, 08:46 PM

Also, VPC seems like the easiest thing around. Although it dont have as much control as a standalone, it works. I thought that is what we like to hear? Remember Mutt vs Green vs .... threads? Sorry to bring this up

rdrkt · 05-30-2002, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by jw
rdrkt, when do you think we will see AEM EMS for 1G. I have been told it's out but never heard it on a 1G yet.

I don’t know right now I am thinking the first of never. The 2nd gen version is coming out in. June I don’t know what this means for us 1st gen people. Personally I would like to see the Supra kids figure everything out first so the transition can be as easy as possible for me. I am not expecting this to be out before Sepetember.

SpoOLxExO · 05-30-2002, 02:01 PM

Greddy's E-manage?
I just installed it and its like no other product on the market.
It has:
-Injector controll (up to six by itself)
-timing controll
-add 2 sub injectors(Add these and you could hook it up to a mustang

)
-Real time datalogging of inj pulsewidth & timing and airflow
-Option to use a Greddy MAP sensor. (Still not sure if you can ditch MAF)
-User protection mode via lock-out w/ password (So no GOOBS mess with your settings)
-Universal design so you will have to configure your own plugs to go to the unit. (4 or 6cyl, MAF or MAP...etc)

AND....it only cost me $440 minus a laptop with the timing and injector o