Which is better? 96 or 97 GSX???

futrgsxonr · Jan 21, 2004

I'm looking at buying a 95/96 eclipse gsx, or a 97/98 eclipse gsx. I heard that there were some changes between the two time periods and I'm wondering which would be better excluding the obvious milage factor. I'm planning on having about 300 hp and dont want to have to do an engine swap if possible. It would mostly be a straight line, dead stop, dragger. Thanx for your help!

timmy43016 · Jan 21, 2004

95-96 do a 6 bolt motor to help prevent crankwalk and then just do a 97-98 body conversion to it...itll be pretty like the 98 but with the reliability of a 1g...doesnt matter what year you buy (95-99) you are going to see some crankwalk sometime...so do yourself a favor and do a 95/96 and DO a motor swap man.

JessesTalon · Jan 21, 2004

97-99 has better looks, not much changed in the engines though.
I have heard the 95-96 exhaust manifolds are a little different, eitherway you should do a 1g head swap... that + a few bolt on's maybe a 14b turbo from a 1g, and you have 300+ easily...

TurBoGs-T · Jan 21, 2004

97-99 looks alot better. The engines are the same.

98RedGs · Jan 21, 2004

Originally posted by timmy43016
It'll be pretty like the 98 but with the reliability of a 1g...doesnt matter what year you buy (95-99) you are going to see some crankwalk sometime...so do yourself a favor and do a 95/96 and DO a motor swap man.

Not all cars will walk
It really gets bothersome seeing people say this all the time.

If you like the look of a 97-99 and are on a limited (very limited) budget then just pickup a 95-96 correct, just do the conversion. But if you can find a 97-99 cheap enough. Save yourself the trouble and just pick up the car.

Crankwalk is overrated. Don't believe everything you hear about it.

Groomz · Jan 21, 2004

Originally posted by 98RedGs
Not all cars will walk
It really gets bothersome seeing people say this all the time.

If you like the look of a 97-99 and are on a limited (very limited) budget then just pickup a 95-96 correct, just do the conversion. But if you can find a 97-99 cheap enough. Save yourself the trouble and just pick up the car.

Crankwalk is overrated. Don't believe everything you hear about it.

Damn it! Got to it first. :cry:

CrankwalkBusters: Who you gonna call, when someone hypes the crankwalk.... CrankwalkBusters!!! ( Cue that groovy music )

No, I won't quite my day job.

So I actually contribute to this thread, read this:

http://www.thirskauto.net/Engine_Thrust_Bearings.html

:talon:

timmy43016 · Jan 21, 2004

sorry guys i was just looking down the road only reason being is because almost everyone on columbusdsm here has had "the walk" happen to there car...if and they all are doing the 1g in a 2g thing. im not knocking your choice in cars you asked i gave you personal hand exp answer...i want a 2g gsx really bad so..its cool. we all have ou own prefs...

Spln_Hrd · Jan 21, 2004

Originally posted by Groomz
Damn it! Got to it first.

CrankwalkBusters: Who you gonna call, when someone hypes the crankwalk.... CrankwalkBusters!!! ( Cue that groovy music )

TSi999 · Jan 21, 2004

You can find a good 95-96 for around 5 grand, put $500 into it for the 99 conversion, and be sitting at the track next to someone whos paying $350 a month for years to a bank for a 98 or 99 DSM while yours is paid off and looks the same !!! :thumb:

hoffman · Jan 21, 2004

Originally posted by timmy43016
sorry guys i was just looking down the road only reason being is because almost everyone on columbusdsm here has had "the walk" happen to there car...if and they all are doing the 1g in a 2g thing.

then maybe you shouldn't follow their advice on how to tune a dsm

...5 years of heavy abuse on a 7 bolt......nothing. crankwalk is a joke.

95's (most of them) have an eprom (you saved $300 on your dsmlink). most have the larger vented rear rotors. they aren't weighed down with some of the misc. crap in the 97+ models. it will be cheaper all around, purchase and insurrance. the 97+ conversion is an option. you will actually have a DSM label and not mitsubishi

. you dont have that big shopping cart handle wing blocking your rearview. it will still get chicks.

skier_du · Jan 21, 2004

I'm partial to the 97+
Crankwalk? Its a gamble. My eclipse had over 130k on it and no crankwalk. :thumb:

The engine was done in when I had someonelse do the timing belt and it broke 1500 miles later. Also bought a 97 Talon for my fiancee and it had major walk at 102k. The crank was moving about 1/4 inch! :thumbdown
Swapping a 1g really isn't that bad, though. Only need to IF it walks. Then it gives you an excuse to upgrade!

Either way you decide, happy boosting! Its so addictive!

futrgsxonr · Jan 21, 2004

hoffman writes:

"95's (most of them) have an eprom (you saved $300 on your dsmlink)" what is that???

Also are there any other differences between the two models and what year is the tenth aniversary eclipse and is the gsx available for it?

Thanx for youre help! im starting to lean towards a 97-99 but im still not sure yet. Even more info that would help me make this decision would be greatly appriciated. Thanx again

hoffman · Jan 21, 2004

search "eprom"
search "year, model differences"

DSMWillyb · Jan 21, 2004

My vote goes for the '98 (not '97). First it has the excellent looks of the 2G - though there are some very clean examples of 2Ga's around. And secondly, the chance of Crankwalk is 'supposed' to be minimal that year and later... How much do you have available to spend?

herostar · Jan 22, 2004

go with the cheapest one you can find with the lowest miles... remember that the only changes were merely the bumpers, side skirts, and wing.

One other thing... has anyone noticed that 95% of the time it's someone with a 1g talking about how bad crankwalk is... but you rarely hear about it from 2g guys? I've got 146,000 miles on my completely stock bottom end... and the last 30,000 have been with considerably more power than stock. My crank shaft end play... none.

Grimis · Jan 22, 2004

Originally posted by TSi999
You can find a good 95-96 for around 5 grand, put $500 into it for the 99 conversion, and be sitting at the track next to someone whos paying $350 a month for years to a bank for a 98 or 99 DSM while yours is paid off and looks the same !!!

I like what he said^^^^ mine is paid off, bought out right with cash, and im doing the 97 converson... i get busted on with my miles on it, so mine has the miles on it, at least i have the cash to put into it

I would get the 95/96 do the 1g head swap, drop $500 into the body swap grab some mods, go have some fun.. :thumb:

to

NO PROBLEM.

hoffman · Jan 22, 2004

Originally posted by herostar
... remember that the only changes were merely the bumpers, side skirts, and wing.

what?! there are other differences, mechanical, electrical, performance between 95s and 96+.

98RedGs · Jan 22, 2004

Originally posted by hoffman
what?! there are other differences, mechanical, electrical, performance between 95s and 96+.

None, other than the 1995's had big pistons.
Also the 1995 had eprom ecu's (some)

v413nc3 · Jan 22, 2004

A limited amount (about 5%) of 1995 Allwheel drive DSM's (TSI and GSX) recieved a JDM type 7 bolt that doesn't crank walk. Also there are mechanical differences. Your best bet is to try to find a 95, if you can't, get the new style for the body

hoffman · Jan 22, 2004

Aside from the major ecu difference. Which I stated before. There is the obvious rear brakes. Which I stated before. There is the obvious body style. Which I stated before.

But apperently you need more. Here are some more examples of how the 95 model is different from the rest of the 2g family.

The CAS is upside down in the 95s. The lower lateral control arms are shorter in the 95s. 95s are the last year of 2 piston front calipers with larger front rotors.

I am asking you guys to please post accurate information. It clearly states in the rules to only post about a topic you have direct knowledge about. Saying that there are only cosmetic differences between 95/96 and 97+ models shows a lack of knowledge. This will spread false information and mislead people. Thats not what this forum or board is about. Thanks.

v413nc3 · Jan 22, 2004

Art Art Art, aren't we testy tonight

Anyway, the better buy would be really dependant on the shape the two are in, but IMHO the 96 isn't worth it if you can have a 97, do a 6 bolt swap and call it good

Unless the price is that much better on the 96

RedTurboEclipse · Jan 22, 2004

i have a 95..

does it look like one?

helllll nah..

get a 95.. do a conversion..

u get eprom ecu.. get an early build date 95.. with 94 build date.. it is said to have low chance of c-walk.. where as 96-99 are greater..

Grimis · Jan 22, 2004

RedTurboEclipse

Im liking it, Im Liking It!!!!! :thumb:

iwishiwascool · Jan 22, 2004

Originally posted by hoffman
then maybe you shouldn't follow their advice on how to tune a dsm... Crankwalk is a joke.

I am asking you guys to please post accurate information. It clearly states in the rules to only post about a topic you have direct knowledge about. Thats not what this forum or board is about. Thanks.

Youve got to be kidding me. You are suggesting that tuning has anything to do with crank walk. Maybe its time that someone asks you to keep your posts on that which you have direct knowledge.

His statment was based on statistical figures from his area. Yes many if not a majority have walked... but thats because we all measure ours. This is not to say that it has walked to the point that the CAS has been taken out, just that it is indeed beyond spec.

You 7 bolt loyalty is based on your own limited experince. Your logic being... if mine hasnt walked it must be a farce. Skewed to say the least.

Take apart a few 7 bolt motors, feel those groves in the thrust bearings. In short take your own advice and comment on that which you have personal experience in.

Ken OConnell
ColumbusDSM

jrivard00 · Jan 22, 2004

First of all don't believe the crankwalk hipe on 7 bolt motors. Swapping out a motor now isn't worth the time, effort, and money. I wouldn't even swap for a 1G head until you needed a valve job. Differences between 95-96 and 97-99 that I've seen are the camshaft position sensor are wired differently and located in different locations on the head. If you did buy a 95-96 model and wanted adjustable CAMS then you'd need a 1G head or 2G 97-99 head because of the sensor location. Also, the ABS system in a 97-99 have four wheel independent braking where are the 95-96 has two wheel independent in the front and the back are controlled as one unit. And the ECU was updated in the later models.

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