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Originally posted by buddrinkr420
i am in need of a tranny before spring in my car and have heard that the 94 23 spline tranny is stronger than the earlier models would i be able to put one of these into my 92 and if so what would be involved thanks alot people
One can swap the output shaft without ever taking the tranny off the engine and/or completely apart - in approximately 10 minutes. Also, the output shaft is MUCH cheaper than any used t-case.
Recommended by who? A guy who's never taken the tranny apart and has no idea what he's talking about? Otherwise you'd know that the output shaft is NOT held to the viscious coupling, but to the hollow shaft of the center differential - and the only thing that keeps the output shaft in the differential shaft is one small ball, that's all. It's the viscious coupling that is attached to the center differential shaft by a snap ring that is simply reused after the viscous coupling is put back on and there's absolutely no need to take any measurements when just replacing the output shaft. Also, the ouput shaft seal is installed from the outside of the tranny, not the inside and there's no need to take the tranny apart if changing the seal. If you say that it's almost impossible to replace the seal with the tranny in the car, it's obvious you've never done it since that's exactly how it's done and actually very easy, not "almost impossible" (feel free to verify this with mechanics at your local Mitsu dealer). Putting back the end case will not make any mess since there's been a widely used thing called an oil pan in existence for quite some time now. If you have or know of 23-spline transfer cases for $70, drop me a line, I'll take 10 of them asap.
Originally posted by mark95
Taboo made some comments to make it easier to change a tranny from a 22 to 23 spline setup without tearing out the tranny. You made it sound like one would have to take out the tranny to perform the procedure which is totally Unneccasary.
You seem to be frustrated by taboos' vast knowledge and snappy replies to your unknowledgeable comments. Maybe YOU need to go elsewhere
When swapping the output shaft, you don't assemble the transmission. All you do is taking the rear cover off, pulling the snap ring off the center differential shaft, removing the viscious coupling, then the ball off the center differential shaft and sliding the output shaft out of the tranny. There's no need to measure anything since the original snap ring goes back on the original center differential shaft. All you do is senseless quoting the Chilton's manual.
This just proves you have absolutely no idea how it's actually done. To punch the seal out from the inside, you need to take the tranny completely apart. Are you just kidding or do you seriously think that's easier than removing and installing the seal from the outside of the tranny - just like it was originally designed and intented by the Mitsubishi engineers? There's a reason why the seals (except for the input shaft) are installed on the outside. Do you also take the tranny off the engine and take it completely apart any time you change the front axles - so you can replace the front differential seals and punch them out from the inside? I don't think so...
No, you're not suggesting what works best for you. You are suggesting something you don't know and have never personally done - otherwise you'd know the internals of the tranny and how it's actually assembled - which you don't. If you find the truth and my corrections of your misleading information insulting, I suggest you gain some actual knowledge and true hands-on experience before you try to suggest or argue about things you don't know.
:laugh: If you bother to notice, I've been posting on this board a little bit longer than you and thinking you might have some kind of authority to tell me to take my "attitude and anger" to DSMtalk so you can peacefully continue spreading your incorrect assumptions based on your lack of knowledge would be naive. I'm not angry and I don't have an attitude. I just speak the truth and say things the way they are - if one likes it or not. Nobody knows everything or is always right, but pretending like one knows what he's talking about, arguing after being proven wrong and refusing to accept simple facts won't ever lead to some actual knowledge.
It's not really necessary, trust me... It'd be like pulling the head just to change the spark plugs. You can EASILY change the output shaft seal with the tranny in the car in an hour. If you dropped the tranny and took it apart, you'd turn it into 2-days job. Can you picture the labor charge on the seal replacement if some Mitsu mechanic did it your way? Probably some seven or eight hundred bucks...
Of course, getting the 23-spline t-case would be the best option, but I just mentioned swapping the output shafts as possible alternative for people who don't want to go through the hastle of buying a used t-case (since one never knows what he's getting). It's not really that hard. Many people install and remove their spools and welded viscious couplings straight at the track. As a matter of fact, one can even shim the entire tranny without ever taking it off the block in case it doesn't shift right (after rebuild).
I disagree. We don't make uneducated guesses or present our assumptions as facts. As I said, nobody knows everything - and if I'm sometime wrong, I'd like to be corrected by someone with more experience and greater knowledge than mine - as opposed to being left uncorrected and ignorant. Rather than arguing, I'd try to learn from that guy, though. Otherwise I might be pulling the head just to change the spark plugs - and you might be tearing the tranny apart just to change the input shaft seal...
I understand that being wrong and corrected might be discouraging, but being open-minded and willing to accept any of the shared info is the key to knowledge. Saying that "dsm members hesitate to share any knowledge/info" is very questionable claim - to say at least. Look at www.vfaq.com and all the free resources we have available. If I'm not willing to share any info/knowledge, I'd just say "Whatever..." - and let you take the tranny apart just to change the seal. I discourage enthusiasts from doing things the hard and expensive way because, believe me, I've been there and done that myself. 
possible but not for 100% mitsubishi was in the middle of changing vendors some around the latter part of 1991 to early 1992 so the tranny could be either!
