If you don't want that O2 housing you can always just ship it to me.

Haha we'll see how it goes. Install begins tonight hopefully i'll be able to bang it out in one night. I did a little checking to make sure bolts were right and stuff and the banjo bolt for the water feed is too small so hopefully the stocker will fit or i'll get one in town. The other thing I noticed was that the actuator on the turbo would'nt open more than like 1/4 of an inch witha bike pump at 20psi.. So I pulled the arm off and it was just adjusted way too low. Beware though if you ran it that way you would have unlimited boost.

Bro, this is probably the first post of someone who ACTUALLY PURCHASED the ebay 16g kit. Right now your review on this thing will be very important. Your initial review on the build quality of the parts is exactly what I wanted to hear. Good or bad, just the fact that you described them.

Now what a lot of people want to know is how it performs. Please keep us updated and be generous with the pictures.

I know someone who is skeptical, but whats to give it a try. Your review will make or break his decision. I'm really tired of the replies from people who have no experience with it. So looking forward for an update.

Ya I cant wait for the repost on this. I hope it works out for ya and maybe people will start buying em.

hello all. i purchased the evo316g from ssautochrome . $425 shipped to my door. Everything was there as to install it perfectly.
The results: 3400 miles later still going strong no problems. I m running stock everything no mods yet. intake and uicp only , no cat. I am running lean due to lack of mods but they are coming soon. So I would recommend the set-up. like i said stock boost , 14 lbs in my 1g no creep either.
joe

I purchased a knock off 16g off ebay 8 months ago supposedly it has a 20g wheel in it. Ive got about 10000 miles on it I believe and still no shaft play and boost great no complaints here I had to adjust the wastegate actuator to cause it would hit 20 psi instantly and start to climb, for some reason I didnt hit fuel cut But i also let off right away since I am on stock injectors still. I Like it and for 350 bucks it was good deal I think and it came with some intercooler pipes a couple I had no idea where they went supposedly it was a full kit for the stock side mount. But I couldnt figure it out I had my own pipes any way so it wasnt a problem.

On the EBAY auctions, it says includes 2g install kit, BUT none of the pic shows a J pipe included. So is everyone confirming that it indeed comes with everything you need to install on a 2g? jpipe + the water feed, ss oil feed, oil return, and all gaskets, bolts?

And so far only problem is wastegate is adjusted where boost is way too high? I actually never had any experience on adjusting wastegates, and for reference for future owners of this thing, can you take a pic of what your talking aobut and how to adjust it? thanks.

RedTurboEclipse said:

Bro, this is probably the first post of someone who ACTUALLY PURCHASED the ebay 16g kit.

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Plenty of people have! Martin at VIP Garage knows:

guys we see stuff like this come into the shop all the time in all kinds of cars. 9/10 we see how much bullshit these kind of products are. we have seen turbos blow out after they are run for the first time, we have seen some turbine housings CRACK AT THE FLANGE, compressor wheel blads break CLEAN off.

There is a reason the genuine products cost as much as they do. Quality, warranties and technical service aren't cheap you know.......

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Lou at Performance Tech had a customer that learned the hard way:

Customer bought an EVO3 16G knock-off off of ebay even though we told him it was a copy...he still bought it.

We installed it, primed the engine, started it for a 20 minute warmup.

It took exactly 14 seconds before this god aweful noise came from the engine bay. It sounded like a firetruck siren.

Shut everything off, the fins were all chewed-up.

He says, "Must have been just a bad one" Sent it back, they sent another one, same thing.

After the 4th one we got him one from SBR, problem solved.

This is personal experience with an Ebay turbo too good to be true.

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thats kinda funny, I wonder if it depends on who you buy it from on ebay.

RedTurboEclipse said:

On the EBAY auctions, it says includes 2g install kit, BUT none of the pic shows a J pipe included. So is everyone confirming that it indeed comes with everything you need to install on a 2g? jpipe + the water feed, ss oil feed, oil return, and all gaskets, bolts?

And so far only problem is wastegate is adjusted where boost is way too high? I actually never had any experience on adjusting wastegates, and for reference for future owners of this thing, can you take a pic of what your talking aobut and how to adjust it? thanks.

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Mine didnt come with new water lines I just used my t-25 water lines and just used longer rubber hoses so it would reach and everything works fine.

Most kits do not come with water lines due to the fact that the T-25 or 14b ones will work just fine you just need a longer length of 3/8th inch hose.

Last night went well everything is on the car. My only gripe was that the header to turbo bolts werent the right pitch so I have to run to pep boys today and pick up some bolts. The stock bolts are about 4 inchs too long to use on the new header. Everything went pretty well. It's not like you aren't going to modify anything and be done in 2 hours though. I had to get some couplers and a length of 2" hose to make my J-Pipe meet my IC right. I removed that stock POS plastic air dampner thing too. The kit I bought came with a J pipe and a hard LICP with a nipple for boost refrence. I can link the kit I bought which actually says I'll need a 2g install kit purchased seperately to install it but that the kit comes with a J-pipe.. haha. So just use your judgment. Most of the things you buy on ebay you get what you see. My O2 sensor is basically welded to my old O2 housing and no matter what I did or how hard I yelled at it , nothing worked.. So buying a new O2 sensor today, it's a good idea anyway that one has 100k miles on it. That's it so tonight I'll let you guys know how it runs and stuff. It's a 1995 Talon Tsi awd 3" exhaust turbo back, 255 HP w/ aero, stock injectors so I'm keeping boost arround 15 for now. I have a DSM link coming and I'll most likely order 1000cc injectors just so when I get a 60-1 or something next year I'll be fine.

All in all the kit was 450 for tubular manifold, O2 dump, evo16g and install kit. I spent about 175 bucks on coolant, oil, turbo to mani bolts and O2 sensor. Oh I did plugs too because my T-25 died and it was putitng a good amount of pressure into my crankcase.


EDIT: RedTurboEclipse: Sorry I missed your question. The kit comes with an internally gated 16g evo which I think most are. So there is an acuator just like your stock T-25 that moves the flapper on the exhaust side of the turbo. The bar on aftermarket kits that attaches the acuator to the flapper is adjustable. Well when it came I thought i'd hit it with a bike pump first just to make sure it worked at arround 10 or so. You never know there are 17psi and greater acuators. Well it only moved the arm maybe 1/8th of an inch so I knew there was a problem. The arm was just adjusted too low and the acuator wasn't able to move anymore. As for you and ebay turbo's. Like I said I'm a firm believer you get what you pay for and I run a fully forged billet rod and crank motor in my mustang and a 350 shot direct port 2 stage nitrous system. Believe me you dont buy that performance on ebay. But I figured i'd give it a shot since my T-25 bit the bullet. For the record the kit got to me in 2 days btw, great shipping. Unlike my expierence with a certain major DSM dealer who argued with me for 8 months about a MBC I ordered... Hint There name starts with and S and they aren't fast. ;-)

No offense to any of you but I think part of the reason you are all scared to run these turbos is because the people from some major dsm performance shops come on here and sand bag all day long. Brute I'm not going to say that guy is a liar but I mean these companies ebay or non-ebay are in business to make money. You dont think they lose any money on having to warranty 4 turbos. I find it very hard to believe 4 turbos all came with the same problem.. These turbos ebay or not are profesionally balanced and blueprinted otherwise every single one would blow up. When they balance them they spin em up with a simulated exhaust. Not saying accidents dont happen but I mostly think people are afraid that you wont go and pay 1000 bucks for a turbo anymore if you can get the same thing for 300. Just my .02

Well I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend the $1000 once and have an excellent turbo and customer service instead of having all the hassle of getting one that breaks, sending it back, waiting for a new one, hoping the new one works, reinstalling it, and maybe breaking again. My car is a daily driver. It sees about 350 miles a week. I can't afford the time it takes to do all that. So for me, I'll gladly pay $1000 over a $300 eBay turbo any day. The gambling aspect just doesn't appeal to me.

Nick, thanks for the information. Hopefully you can get us some pics.

I didn't realize you got the one with the manifold.

We're thinking of just getting just the turbo and install kit, and use the 2g manifold. I believe for a turbo like a 16g, the stock 2g mani is good enough. Also because keeps it stock looking here in cali.

With that in mind, you said there was a problem with the bolts, hopefully that was due to the new manifold, installing on a stock mani, you think the ones provided will work.

And for others questioning the product, thats why we have people like Nick who don't mind being the guinea pigs.

Look at the now famous and proven XS/SS autochrome FMIC kit for the 2g. Before everybody knocked on it, hated, etc. Now many use it with no problems. It's really hard to beat that kit for the price. Obviously it's a lot less of a risk compared to a turbo, but in due time as more and more people prove it is ok, who knows.. but we don't need this thread to turn into the many other ebay hater threads. No one is forcing anybody to buy the ebay stuff, buy what you want, let this thread just be informative so it will serve as a great resource if the turbo works out.

i have noticed alot of people who say e-bay parts are crap and broke in minutes are either owners , workers, or part supply people. I think they hate e-bay for the obvious reasons. They cannot compete with the prices and are losing alot of business to e-bay.
I understand that situation and i don't know what else to do about it. our cars cost alot to up keep . We have to try cheaper ways to do what we want to do , we all can't afford to do the best ways out there.

I did say alot , not "all" so i'm sorry if i some of you take this the wrong way .
Joe

Yeah I wasn't trying to upset anybody. And Brute yeah I totally agree if it's your daily do it once and do it right. I said in the first post I agree you get what you pay for but it's also basic econimcs it's quality vs. quantity. If you want the baddest 16g evo 3 turbo that will make every extra hp, then definitealy go to a shop that can sell you the right thing. I'm sure these turbos put down numbers that are on par with other un-ported, un-clipped evo 16g's. But then again if you want more buy more, buy a 50 trim or a 60-1 and get serious.. I just wanted a little more seat of the paints and something my girlfriend can beat on at the track when she feels like it. Plus those guys have like 98% positive feedback on 30,000 or maybe even 50,000 auctions now. That's good in my book no matter who you are and like I said I had a huge issue with a DSM parts vendor from the first part I bought for the car so I was already tainted. You just have to remember these part guys might offer great technical support and good warranties but most of them are not making the turbos... just like everything some poor kid in china or some other country is cranking these puppies out. So your turbo might have a nicer logo and it might be a little more cared after but most likely they strated in the same place.

Install Update:
Car exploaded, flames came out and now I want to spend 2200 for a turbo kit.. haha j/k.
Drove it home and everything is good, no leaks. The O2 dump does sound like farmer john's tractor as I expected.. haha. Oh well I'll live with it or buy a ported one... one nice thing is boost creep is pretty much impossible. The first impression I got is wow the car feels a lot better low down so maybe the manifold picked up 10-15 lb ft or something of that order... This is just seat of the paints of course. The turbo has a noticeble diffrence from stock spool but it makes it more driveable in my opinion. I'm only running 10psi right now for a couple days until I feel like all my rigged LICP's will hold... . So yea I did run into an issue with the LICP's not quite lining up perfect.. If I had some better couplers and maybe a 3" straight piece they'd be perfect so home depot and pep boys here I come later today to clean it all up. I acutally just cut the stock lower ic pipe and used it to make couplers to hold evrything togethor. The kit needs those! Everything visually is of exceptional quality all the pipes are stainless that's been polished, the mainfold included although it's already doing the gold number 10 miles down the road.. normal. Nothing bad yet. My fins are all still fine ;-) I'll update in a few days I have a 400 mile drive on Tuesday so if bad things happen that'll be the time. Just a note for anybody considering this that isn't mechanically inclined. This is my first dsm tubro install, no it's not hard but it takes time and patience. I did it all in a parking lot pretty much in one day and ofcourse it rained on me half way through. But if you aren't familiar with how your turbo works and basic shade tree mechanic skills than take it to a friend or mechanic. And fyi on the mechanic bit, I hate mechanics. Even performance shops. I had a built 9" rear with full-spool in my mustang it broke 4 times from 4 diffrent perforamance shops b/c they couldn't install gears correctly. I finally had help from a friend with an 8 second 64 deuce that showed me how and 1 1/2 seasons on 200 more hp and no problems. So be careful.

RedTurboEclipse: I think the plain jane 16g install kit included would probably included all the right parts. Believe it or not it did include new bolts for the stock manifold so if your really worried shoot me like 5 bucks in paypal i'll mail em to you or order them online I have part number if you need it. One word of caution, I'm not sure how the J-pipe that comes in the those kits, or if they even come with it, lines up to the stock LICP. The stock pipe on our cars is a glorified piece of radiator hose with some weaving for strength and it didn't line up to my J-pipe without cutting the LICP pipe. But I was cutting it anyway b/c my kit came with a LICP as well. If your like brute and you are worried a lot about it breaking, wait and buy a kit from slowboy or buschur, or some place that charges a lot and gives you good technical support. These ebay kits almost never feature technical support. But to me it's not complicated and I've never called tech support for a single car product before. Unless they send out a mechanic to install it for me, it's useless. And I will say I think a good turbo from one of those companies will be less prone to failure due to quality control, but I think the stories you hear about every single one breaking are bs and are fed to you by shops that stay in business by making sure the ebay kits aren't sold. Like Brutes story do you think 4 turbos in a row had the fins chewed off or you think some shop just said that to the poor kid and he believed it so he finally spent 4 times the money to buy the kit the shop wanted him to buy? You make the decision but sometimes if it sounds like BS it is just that. Same thing with the intercooler kits, I agree pipping and some fins are not going to break and a turbo might but why do I see so many sandbag posts on those intercoolers as well? I think ss auto chrome and xs power (same company) and even other companies on ebay know their limits. I dont see them selling rods, pistons, cranks, stroker kits, blocks, heads etc. for our cars their selling the stuff they can get and move quickly and they never want to hear about it breaking b/c that makes them look bad. Ebay is all about looks, if somebody has 75% postivie feedback I wont buy from them, it's too low. And anybody that's ever sold on ebay knows that going through paypal the customer almost always wins, I had some guy try to tell me a stock K&N filter for a 2000 mustang I had, never opened was no K&N and it was in the damn k&n box still. He got his money back but did I ever get my filter back? No. Anybody who lives in MN let me know we'll track him down..


Brute: BTW the smoke frome before when you were helping me. I was having black smoke. Was fixed by cleaning the MDP sensor and replacing the O2 sensor. I had a P1400 but no CEL believe it or not... My CEL light worked fine when I started the car with O2 not hooked up yesterday though so I dono why it wouldn't come on for the 1400. but some codes dont warrant an actual cel i guess.

I'll shoot some Pics today too. I apologize for not taking them all along. I've done that before with mustang installs like heads to help people out but it just makes the project take like 10 times longer and it was raining. But the kit is definitely really sharp looking, i care more about running but i'll get you pics. One thing you might worry about is extra heat from no heat shields but my coolant temp hasn't gone up any from before and I have an aftermarket coolant temp gauge.

NickGT20 said:

No offense to any of you but I think part of the reason you are all scared to run these turbos is because the people from some major dsm performance shops come on here and sand bag all day long.... these companies ebay or non-ebay are in business to make money. You dont think they lose any money on having to warranty 4 turbos. I find it very hard to believe 4 turbos all came with the same problem..These turbos ebay or not are profesionally balanced and blueprinted otherwise every single one would blow up. When they balance them they spin em up with a simulated exhaust.

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I agree those horror stories do scare quite a bit of people away, but there is more to it than that. There is a Reason why their turbos are much cheaper than other brands. Of course you pay for a brand name like anything BUT, that is not all you pay for (in the case of these kind of performance mods). R&D takes a lot of time and money, "professionally" can be a little misleading because just that word alone does not mean their built turbos go through the same process of assembly and testing as all the other more expensive ones. Of course they have to test the turbos before they send them out, the LEAST I would expect is a simulated exhaust, heat, pressure and the whole 9 yards. You also want long lasting product, which could also be the difference in their R&D versuses the competition.

There is a reason there are so many horror stories about their turbos. Every company can have a few set of bad turbos produced, but compare how many of the competitor's turbos, like greddy, hks...., make it out to their customers cars in order to find out they are bad turbos.

I am, by no means, saying you bought a junk turbo kit, and I hope everything works out well. I actually encouraged my cousin to purchase an SSAUTOCHROME kit for his crx. Keep in my that just because it didn't blow up from the install does not mean anything, those are horror stories and you SHOULDN'T expect that to happen.

I honestly don't even mean to knock this thread, SSAUTOCHROME makes excellent intercoolers and o2 housings, knowing from my friends evo. But when your paying that extra eventy billion dollars for the more expensive kit, not all of that price is because of the name(in this case).

Nick, the review sounds good, thanks for the update, im sure we all can't wait for the pics.

And that 400mile drive you have coming up.

TalonESTI: I'm with you 100% I'm definitely not saying there are no diffrences. I'm just saying there are less than you think. I've seen that pic you have a hundred times and I think it's hilarious.. I'm not a turbo expert but why is the cold side 2 halves casted? Mine appeared to be one single cast and there was the normal backer plate that holds it to the hot side. Mine has a giant C clip and then is bolted all arround and it's joined to the hot side with a large V band type deal. I dont see that ever happening. I'll be willing to bet my evo turbo lasts as long as any other evo turbo. And if it dies in a year or two i'll be fine b/c eventually I will just give the car to my g/f for a track car when she's bored. 24 psi and some race gas and I have no doubt the car will lift a head gasket or the turbo will start to wear. At 14-16psi excluding and manufacturing fubar's I dont see any problems. I have about 100 miles on the new turbo I took it for a long ride and scared some people with my dump pipe

JoeyBags7112: I'm not the worlds dsm expert but I've had mine for a year and change now and I wouldn't say it's more expensive to keep these cars up than any other AWD 10-15 year old car with 100k+ miles on it. Things get old and break, it's the way cars are.. And the parts are a lot cheaper for these cars than for many other makes and models. The reason everybody thinks these cars are so hard to keep up is because everybody take s a 195-210 hp vehicle and tries to squeeze 400hp out of it and expects nothing to break. Things do and will break, everytime. No car can make double the stock hp and just be fine. And yes the motors are very strong in these cars but there are limits. My mustang made 462/591 on the dyno on a stock motor. But it didn't last and I didn't expect it to. I spun a rod bearing coming home from the shore believe it or not I wasn't even beating on it.

Okay so I cleaned up the LICP pipping and I turned the MBC up to 14-15psi. The car feels about 40 hp stronger. I'd say it's a solid 13 second car now w/ out any real tuning. The dump although very annoying does do a very good job of preventing any real boost spike or creep. On my stock T-25 with the stock exhaust I couldn't really use my boost controller because it would spike to like 18 and then settle to 11. So far great product.

Thats good to hear. Keep us updated on the progress.

PS - Would you mind sending me the link to the ebay product which you bought?

i learned about Knock off EVO 3 turbos the hard way. I blew the engine because of detonation caused by the wastegate not opening and hitting like 30psi of boost. My fault though, no boost guage . Then i though i fixed and took my car down to RRE to have some stuff done and again it was sticking! So i jsut got the EVO 3 Gt and it comes with a warranty and everything. It was only $530, not much more to pay for a quality turbo!

Oh ya I just remembered I did have one problem with my turbo a bout 4 months after running the shit out of it. The waste flatter where it mounts to the turbo came loose and the flapper could move side to side and wouldnt seal. Took me a few days to figure this out, all I did to fix it was pull off the exhaust housing and use a small punch and tapped around it to squish the metal together so it wouldnt move. It worked good again...how ever during the reinstall I managed to stripped all 4 threads on the exhaust housing but thats another story...I purchased a monster turbine housing for machv to replace it and it turns out that the exhaust housing that came with the turbo was noticably bigger than the machv one.