SOMEONE please tell me im not the only one that thinks this kid is crazy?

[My99LaserAWD]

Dsmspool98 [9:25 PM]: their is a vacuum canister that the vacuum lines connect to, one from the bypass valve and one from the intake to the turbo that you connect together instead of letting it run throught the canister which makes the bypass stay open then makes 29lbs
IIEclipseGSXII [9:27 PM]: whered u hear this from?
IIEclipseGSXII [9:27 PM]: brb
Dsmspool98 [9:27 PM]: my friend at jotech motorsports and www.dsmclub.net
IIEclipseGSXII [9:29 PM]: umm but the bov only has two lines coming off of it
IIEclipseGSXII [9:29 PM]: one goes into the intake (the dump tube) and the other comes from the intake minfold
IIEclipseGSXII [9:29 PM]: and 29lbs???
IIEclipseGSXII [9:29 PM]: have fun blowing up ur motor
IIEclipseGSXII [9:30 PM]: unless u got a bigger turbo, race fuel, and new injector, and fuel pump
Dsmspool98 [9:30 PM]: its 29lbs out of a small turbo, the blck can hold
Dsmspool98 [9:30 PM]: the head might not
IIEclipseGSXII [9:30 PM]: naa dude
Dsmspool98 [9:30 PM]: my friend ran his t25 for a yr without anything happening
IIEclipseGSXII [9:30 PM]: ull melt ur pstons
IIEclipseGSXII [9:30 PM]: at 19lbs??
IIEclipseGSXII [9:30 PM]:
IIEclipseGSXII [9:31 PM]: dude goto dsmtuners.com and ask anyone there
Dsmspool98 [9:31 PM]: its no biggie and its off the intake to the turbo
Dsmspool98 [9:31 PM]: and off the turbo
Dsmspool98 [9:31 PM]: the turbo has three vcm lines
Dsmspool98 [9:32 PM]: alright gotta go il send you the pics and the website for you to visit, plust my friend from NITROUS EXPRESS did it
IIEclipseGSXII [9:32 PM]: dude 29lbs on a stock turbo, wit a stock fuel system isnt safe
Dsmspool98 [9:32 PM]: and he was running 100shot
Dsmspool98 [9:33 PM]: its not not safe
Dsmspool98 [9:33 PM]: il send it to you later
Dsmspool98 signed off at 9:33 PM
IIEclipseGSXII [9:33 PM]: aight


29lbs on a stock turbo and fuel system and pump gas?!?!?! is this kid nutz???

 

[*97GS_Eclipse*]

In short: yes.



Luke

 

[Lunch_Box]

Yeah the kid is crazy. There is no way that you can run 29 psi. For one yo would get some major fuel cut.

 

[My99LaserAWD]

now does anyone know what he means by this so called "canister" is he talking about the stock boost controller?

 

[Wobble]

stock 2g bov will leak anything above 13psi out anyway..

 

[allwheelTSI]

the only lines from the turbos intake are PCV lines that are connected to the valve cover. the only lines to the CBV are the one from the intake manifold for a vacum sourcee when the throttle plate closes. and the only other line he might be talking about in the boost pressure line that goes to the BCS that comes off of the turbo output.

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by Wobble
stock 2g bov will leak anything above 13psi out anyway..

naa the kids just got a first gen wit a rebuilt motor, my friend tried sayin he knew a lot about dsm but once i started talking to him it already seemed like he had no clue what he was doing, he said he used to have a 98 but i dunno if it was even a turbo the 1g he has is a 92 talon awd, but i feel bad for the car, hes gonna f*ck it up, i just know it

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI
the only lines from the turbos intake are PCV lines that are connected to the valve cover. the only lines to the CBV are the one from the intake manifold for a vacum sourcee when the throttle plate closes. and the only other line he might be talking about in the boost pressure line that goes to the BCS that comes off of the turbo output.

thats what i was thinking, i think hes planning on disconnecting the BCS and just connecting the two hoses, can we all say MORON?

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by My99LaserAWD


naa the kids just got a first gen wit a rebuilt motor, my friend tried sayin he knew a lot about dsm but once i started talking to him it already seemed like he had no clue what he was doing, he said he used to have a 98 but i dunno if it was even a turbo the 1g he has is a 92 talon awd, but i feel bad for the car, hes gonna f*ck it up, i just know it

no i lied his 98 was a turbo bc he said he was putting his type s bov from his 98 on his 1 g

 

[DSMSpyder99]

let him do it so u can just say,"I told you so"

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by DSMSpyder99
let him do it so u can just say,"I told you so"

ohh i plan on it i couldnt even stop him i dont even really know the kid, my friend moved down to texas and this is this room mate for a lil while my friend was telling me the kid knows a lot about dsm's and all this other stuff but since i talked to him im like this kid really has no clue, but i was scared for a sec cause i thought maybe he knew something i didnt but all of u along wit mike from DSS has assured me this kid is really stupid and his so called friend from jotec motorsport must be an even bigger moron and i dont even wanna know who this friend that he says works for nitrous express is, theyre dumd@$$es as far as im comcerned, i just needed a lil reassurance, cause i was doubting myself for a min there

 

[13secGST]

If they try to run 29lbs on the stock T25...they will blow the turbo up real quick. The turbo isn't ment to run at that high of boost and really isn't effiecent above 18psi...so it is pointless. Plus boost drops off to about 10psi by redline. Any way, yes the kid is a moron.

I'll bet Mike got a kick out of that...I'll have to go over to his place tomorrow and ask him about it......lata

 

[Defiant]

Was this the guy with the grocery bag cartoon?

 

[ABK]

yeah it's prolly due to the allighment of his lucky star, and god of the BS!!!

 

[Forced4]

The kid had a clue but he lost it. The story is this... If you take the vac hose that leads to the boost control sol from the compressor side of the turbo and sent it directly to the air intake tube(where the other hose from the bcs was going) essentially bypassing the boost control sol then you can increase your boost. Fact-you WILL NOT HIT 29 PSI. I have done this on a '95. With a guage, and watching closely... 20-21PSI. This is the approximation of having a bleeder type controller that is set wide open. I do not recommend this. You would need a BOV that won't bleed in order to acheive this. My car did run about 13.80ish with that. I soon after changed to a controlled boost adjustment and brought it down to and 18PSI setting. Ofcourse I also replaced the turbo with a 16G and made other changes too. I have seen this done on a 1G as well, in fact, a friend had taken a 1G talon with 120k miles and without, I REPEAT, WITHOUT buying any parts ran the car at 13.864. by doing these so-called "free mods". In hind site some of these may not be the best way to do it, but they do work.

My $.02
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[Forced4]

The kid had a clue but he lost it. The story is this... If you take the vac hose that leads to the boost control sol from the compressor side of the turbo and sent it directly to the air intake tube(where the other hose from the bcs was going) essentially bypassing the boost control sol then you can increase your boost. Fact-you WILL NOT HIT 29 PSI. I have done this on a '95. With a guage, and watching closely... 20-21PSI. This is the approximation of having a bleeder type controller that is set wide open. I do not recommend this. You would need a BOV that won't bleed in order to acheive this. My car did run about 13.80ish with that. I soon after changed to a controlled boost adjustment and brought it down to and 18PSI setting. Ofcourse I also replaced the turbo with a 16G and made other changes too. I have seen this done on a 1G as well, in fact, a friend had taken a 1G talon with 120k miles and without, I REPEAT, WITHOUT buying any parts ran the car at 13.864. by doing these so-called "free mods". In hind site some of these may not be the best way to do it, but they do work.

My $.02
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[Eliminat0r]

bwahhahahaha bye bye engine see you later

 

[Forced4]

I gotta ask. Why do you all think that you will blow up and engine by running 5 psi higher boost than stock? Do you honestly think that you need major work done before you can increase boost? These engines ran higher boost in stock form in just about every country but USA. They also had larger turbos. Just because it didn't come that way here, doesn't mean you can't do it. Safely.

No Data Logger Required.

 

[My99LaserAWD]

Originally posted by Forced4
I gotta ask. Why do you all think that you will blow up and engine by running 5 psi higher boost than stock? Do you honestly think that you need major work done before you can increase boost? These engines ran higher boost in stock form in just about every country but USA. They also had larger turbos. Just because it didn't come that way here, doesn't mean you can't do it. Safely.

No Data Logger Required.

first off stock boost on a 2g is 12.9 lbs so 21lbs isnt 5 lbs more, second its not that u need major mods, its that the turbo looses its effieciency after like 18 lbs, so there really no point also the t25 is too small, a 14b can handle 20 lbs but u need atleast race fuel not pump gas, and i think its recommended to atleast rewire ur stock fuel pump for that. all we're saying is if ur gonna be running ur tubo wit no boost controller ur most likely gonna blow ur turbo, ive seen a kid do it, he put a 14b on a GSR and he was running it wit no boost controller and he blew it in very little time and it was a freshly rebuilt turbo. and about the fact that in ever other country they came wit bigger turbos so they could run higher boost safely, that why, they had bigger turbos so it was ok to run higher boost, also most of them came wit better injectors im not really sure about the fuel pumps, but like the jdm 4g63 that came wit the big 16g stock, it also had yellow top 510cc injectors as opposed to the 450cc that came wit just about every other 4g63

 

[Cliptic619]

there's the cheap way and there's the right way... if you upgrade one part of the system... you need to also upgrade all the support system... reaching 29lb in stock turbo... whats he smoking..

 

[Forced4]

Ok, First off the 5 lbs was a rough reference. 2nd, Stock boost on a 2G is 14.3(not counting the drop when using a stock BOV) If you run a larger displacement turbo you do NOT need to run higher boost. The purpose of increasing the boost is to get more air into the motor. A larger turbo will do this with lower boost pressure. The concern I had with "blowing up" was that people said he would blow the motor, not the turbo. Although, some said turbo. I did not disagree with the fact that this can be detremental to some parts, I merely wanted to make the statement that the engines can hadle the add'l air and fuel that an increase in boost would provide. Ofcourse, there is a limit, I can tell you from experience that the t25 is too small. That means that it cannot provide the volume of air to maintain the boost pressure that is required(by adjustment) But I can also tell you that a 16G at 12psi ran my car at about the same ET as the t25 at 18psi. That would mean that I put on a bigger turbo to decrease that boost. NOT INCREASE. After making the neccessary changes to fuel delivery, I increased the boost to go faster. It's about volumetric efficiency. It's not about bigger = higher boost. I justthink that some people spend more money then time on thier cars. If you bought every little thing that is supposed to make you go faster then we would all be able to run in the 9's, 8's, 7's or faster. It's about finding the best poss combo of parts and knowledge and driving skill that gets us to where we are. I have raced people with bigger turbo's, fuel management systems, FMIC's, aftermarket BOV's, IC pipe kits, suspension upgrades, and more. Some of them impressed me and some did not. EX: I had, puel pump,HKS 3" cat back sys, 16G turbo @ 18psi, Manual boost ctrl, the "cheap HKS BOV" and a K&N filter. STOCK downpipe, STOCK cat, STOCK IC & pipes. Running 13.29, a guy I raced that night(who was supposed to know what he was doing since he was part of some shop that modded these things) had ... 18G turbo, FMIC, FUEL MGMT, HARD PIPES, GREDDY TYPE R BOV, IGN BOX, PLUG WIRES, SHORT SHIFTER, 3" DOWN PIPE-TEST PIPE-AND EXHAUST. running about the same. Does that make him smarter, or better, just because he had 4 times the money in his car? Not in my eyes. That make him in-efficient.

Once agian.
"That's just my opinion, Icould be wrong"
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[My99LaserAWD]

naa ur definitly right, he shouldve been a running faster than that but u know what they say 80 percent is the driver....., i raced a kid wit big 16g, greddy fmic, ic piping, o2 housing, apexi dp, apexi cat back, MBC, apexi f-afc,act 2100, fuel pump, injectors, apexi bov, and k&n, and he only beat me by three cars, his talon is FWD and he has no sytem, so his car is definitly lighter than mine, and i had my friend in the car, and i only have a apexi catback, clutch, flywheel, FMIC, IC piping, type s bov, i have a stock t25 and im still running stock boost, if u ask me thats pretty sad, he shouldve LEFT ME, but i guess he cant drive to well

 

[out there]

agreed about the driver portion, one night (late, empty road) a fwd 2g with a mbc and exhaust came across me and we went at it. all through 3rd i was creeping up next to him, when i shifted into 4th (i think we both shifted about 6500) i step ahead a little, and then continued creeping away

 

[foreign_object]

why cant i just buy an air compressor and dummy rig it instead of buying one of those exspensive superduperchargers?

 

[Flat Lined]

Originally posted by My99LaserAWD
Dsmspool98 [9:32 PM]: alright gotta go il send you the pics and the website for you to visit, plust my friend from NITROUS EXPRESS did it

Ask him which friend he's talking about, and I'll see. The only person I know of there that has a DSM is Jeremy and I doubt he'd tell somone dumb crap like that. BTW: check my location, home of Nitrous Express, it's two right turns, and three miles down the road.