Should I get cams for my DD?

[spadepro22]

Should I get cams for my dd? Im thinking about getting some used hks 264/272Would I loose any bottom end? Im running a bastard 20g.

[hazmat6135]

stage 1= 264's or a 264 and 272combo. they would greatly improve your 3k-redline performace onthat 20g

[Tiki2777]

Originally Posted by fast420a83

Stage 1 is usually for low to mid rpm performance. Stage 2 (requires valvetrain upgrade) is mid to top end rpm performance, and Stage 3 (requires valvetrain upgrade) is for top end rpm performance... With that being said, I would just get stage 1 for a DD.

Not true at all. Hks makes drop in cams that don't require a valvetrain upgrade. However, for example, bc 272s will be much more effective than hks 272s because of added lift, but they need springs at least.

On a dd, I wouldnt go over 272s. 280s will shift your powerband to high without cam gears. 272/272 hks cams would make a nice setup though.

[PieEyedPiper]

Do we have to call them stages?

[fast420a83]

Originally Posted by Tiki2777

Not true at all. Hks makes drop in cams that don't require a valvetrain upgrade. However, for example, bc 272s will be much more effective than hks 272s because of added lift, but they need springs at least.

On a dd, I wouldnt go over 272s. 280s will shift your powerband to high without cam gears. 272/272 hks cams would make a nice setup though.

It is true, most camshaft companies use a Stage rating on there cams to show a range of duration. But some Companies use the duration instead of a Stage. For example Crower 4G63 Stage 1 264/264 Camshafts (Mitsubishi Evo 8) - Modern Automotive Performance these Crower Stage 1 cams for the 4g63 have a low duration of 264/264. after this duration and depending on the manufacturer. You will need upgraded valvetrain and tune. But you should always consult with the manufacturer what they recommend.

[Kingarex]

i have those exact cams with a 16g. it runs awesome in my DD. i wish i had bigger ones.

[agentorange313]

Originally Posted by PieEyedPiper

Do we have to call them stages?

lol

stage1: put in cams
stage2:
stage3: profit

Originally Posted by spadepro22

Should I get cams for my dd? Im thinking about getting some used hks 264/272Would I loose any bottom end? Im running a bastard 20g.

Its really about what you are looking for in a daily driver. I went from stock cams to GSC S1 (268/268), and what a difference, I think these should have been the stock cams. But I am looking for more power in a daily driver. If you are trying to keep the bottom end, HKS 264/264 or 264/272 are great, or any replicas such as FFWD DKS. You will not sacrifice bottom end, maybe alittle with the 264/272.

[spadepro22]

Would picking up a used set be fine or should I go new or regrinds?

[agentorange313]

Originally Posted by spadepro22

Would picking up a used set be fine or should I go new or regrinds?

Obviously it has to do with the condition of the cams. Scoring marks, rust, pitting are all signs of damage.

I have installed cams that have some surface rust before I cleaned them up. They were used and fine, but I knew the condition.

If you have stock cams, I would have them sent into FFWD to have regrind to a spec you want.

[canada4g63]

I've ran 272's and 280's in my dailys. No problem.

[dsmdeliveryboy]

I run 272's, you lose some low-end power but its not very noticeable.

[Tiki2777]

Originally Posted by fast420a83

It is true, most camshaft companies use a Stage rating on there cams to show a range of duration. But some Companies use the duration instead of a Stage. For example Crower 4G63 Stage 1 264/264 Camshafts (Mitsubishi Evo 8) - Modern Automotive Performance these Crower Stage 1 cams for the 4g63 have a low duration of 264/264. after this duration and depending on the manufacturer. You will need upgraded valvetrain and tune. But you should always consult with the manufacturer what they recommend.

Its not so much the duration is the problem, its the added lift where it gets troublesome. Obviously added duration at high rpms with bad springs will also cause valve float.

[norcal_drifter]

I ran fp2s (272) in my daily,stock head. loved it with my 60 trim.

[rlacasse1]

Originally Posted by PieEyedPiper

Do we have to call them stages?

Uh.......Yeah.......Cause Need for Speed Underground does!!!!!!!!!

[99gst214]

Originally Posted by rlacasse1

Uh.......Yeah.......Cause Need for Speed Underground does!!!!!!!!!

I thought they had 5 stages in that tho? Why do we only have 3 in real life?

[Tiki2777]

Originally Posted by 99gst214

I thought they had 5 stages in that tho? Why do we only have 3 in real life?

Woaw woa woa, lets be honest, NFS Prostreet is the shit. Then you've only got 3 stages, unless your cool enough to get the rare stg 4 parts! Drag racing... drag racing... drifting.... muhahaha

[slayer450]

Originally Posted by agentorange313

lol

stage1: put in cams
stage2:
stage3: profit



Its really about what you are looking for in a daily driver. I went from stock cams to GSC S1 (268/268), and what a difference, I think these should have been the stock cams. But I am looking for more power in a daily driver. If you are trying to keep the bottom end, HKS 264/264 or 264/272 are great, or any replicas such as FFWD DKS. You will not sacrifice bottom end, maybe alittle with the 264/272.

Stage 2: enjoy beer

[fast420a83]

Originally Posted by Tiki2777

Its not so much the duration is the problem, its the added lift where it gets troublesome. Obviously added duration at high rpms with bad springs will also cause valve float.

I never said the duration was the main factor for the need of a valvetrain upgrade!.. I said that duration is how the companies title them. Plus both of your sentences cancel each other out. So why bother posting?...All you need to say is lift is a factor, leave it at that, and stop bringing me down to you level of stupidity!

[bryanwheat]

Originally Posted by fast420a83

I never said the duration was the main factor for the need of a valvetrain upgrade!.. I said that duration is how the companies title them. Plus both of your sentences cancel each other out. So why bother posting?...All you need to say is lift is a factor, leave it at that, and stop bringing me down to you level of stupidity!

Chill out man, no body said anything offensive to you. IF you can't stand someone not agreeing with you than maybe the internet isn't for you.

[Tiki2777]

Originally Posted by bryanwheat

Chill out man, no body said anything offensive to you. IF you can't stand someone not agreeing with you than maybe the internet isn't for you.

Well put lol

what a noob

[Ozone302]

I just don't get why the only thing most people on this website look at is duration.. There is so much more to a cam then the duration. Lift, lobe separation angle, overlap, and ramp rates should be considered as well. But in general, a 264/272 or 272/272 combo would be a good choice for a DD as you won't lose too much bottom end and will improve top end significantly.

[DashDSM]

Originally Posted by Ozone302

I just don't get why the only thing most people on this website look at is duration.. There is so much more to a cam then the duration. Lift, lobe separation angle, overlap, and ramp rates should be considered as well. But in general, a 264/272 or 272/272 combo would be a good choice for a DD as you won't lose too much bottom end and will improve top end significantly.

How do you figure?.. He just stated duration was how they title them. There is no need to throw in angle, overlap.. yadda, yadda, yadda.. You dont seem very smart dude!

Originally Posted by Tiki2777

Well put lol

what a noob

Your mom was a noob, but I taught her the ropes

[Tiki2777]

Originally Posted by DashDSM

How do you figure?.. He just stated duration was how they title them. There is no need to throw in angle, overlap.. yadda, yadda, yadda.. You dont seem very smart dude!



Your mom was a noob, but I taught her the ropes

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[bryanwheat]

Originally Posted by Tiki2777

Wow this asshole made a new account! Can somebody say, NO LIFE !

That is exactly what i was thinking, i reported his post to the mods.

[DashDSM]

Originally Posted by Tiki2777

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What are you talking about?.. Your the asshole!

[Ozone302]

Originally Posted by Tiki2777

Wow this asshole made a new account! Can somebody say, NO LIFE !

after he said this website sucks. What a retard. He needs to be IP banned

[DashDSM]

Originally Posted by Ozone302

after he said this website sucks. What a retard. He needs to be IP banned

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Originally Posted by Tiki2777

Wow this asshole made a new account! Can somebody say, NO LIFE !

As much of a life as you do.. we are both on the same site.. What does that say about you?.. Loser

[Tiki2777]

Originally Posted by DashDSM

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[JusMX141]

Congrats on ban of account #2; recommending ban of the other account and I.P. ban as well.

Obvious flamer is obvious.

[spadepro22]

Well I think I just might pick up some used 264/272 hks.