Aem cam gears with 7 bolt cas!

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 12:57 PM

Ok I've searched but can't find anything. I have a 7 Bolt head with 7 bolt cas and just bought some aem cam gears and was wondering what I have to do to the gears to keep my 7 bolt cas?

ed1380 · 07-09-2012, 01:35 PM

Only the fidanza's are compatible with the 95 cas. You might be able to drill and tap holes for the trigger plate, but I would use this as an opportunity to upgrade to the 1g cas. It'll also let you adjust your base timing, which you need to do when you adjust the cam gears.

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 01:44 PM

Ok but that would mean I'd have to switch to the 6 bolt cas and Im not very good at Wireing and also wouldnt want to cut my harness. Gotta be an easier way =/

bryanwheat · 07-09-2012, 01:46 PM

Do you even need adjustable cam gears. Are you actually going to use a degree wheel and dial them in or are you just buying them for looks?

JusMX141 · 07-09-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Finley95gst

Gotta be an easier way =/

There isn't.

The 1G cam sensor is slotted and allows base timing to be changed. All 2G's use a fixed cam angle sensor, even the 97-99 models which also read off the passenger's side of the engine. The fixed sensor means base timing cannot be altered....so with a fixed sensor if you advance the intake gear two degrees, guess what happens to your base timing?

XiKeiyaZI · 07-09-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Finley95gst

Ok but that would mean I'd have to switch to the 6 bolt cas and Im not very good at Wireing and also wouldnt want to cut my harness. Gotta be an easier way =/

Say hello to the plug and play cas swap adapter available through RRE. Closest you're going to get to what you're requesting.

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Originally Posted by bryanwheat

Do you even need adjustable cam gears. Are you actually going to use a degree wheel and dial them in or are you just buying them for looks?

^ +1

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XiKeiyaZI

Say hello to the plug and play cas swap adapter available through RRE. Closest you're going to get to what you're requesting.

^ +1

You have a link to that?

bryanwheat · 07-09-2012, 02:40 PM

I will ask again, what is you reasoning for running these cam gears?

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanwheat

I will ask again, what is you reasoning for running these cam gears?

For now they are just for looks, I don't even have link yet so I'm just slapping them on for looks atm.

bryanwheat · 07-09-2012, 02:50 PM

That is an awful idea. Why not spend the money on something that will actually help your car such as a bigger fuel pump, maintenance, exhaust system, intake, new lower control arms, and so on. You should be running an upper timing cover any way so the cam gears shouldn't be visible.

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanwheat

That is an awful idea. Why not spend the money on something that will actually help your car such as a bigger fuel pump, maintenance, exhaust system, intake, new lower control arms, and so on. You should be running an upper timing cover any way so the cam gears shouldn't be visible.

I have the lower and mid timing cover as for everything else I just bought kelford 272's so I plan on adjusting the timing just not right now, don't know why that's a bad idea to plan ahead.

bryanwheat · 07-09-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Finley95gst

I have the lower and mid timing cover as for everything else I just bought kelford 272's so I plan on adjusting the timing just not right now, don't know why that's a bad idea to plan ahead.

How do you plan on adjusting the cam gears? Are you going to buy a degree wheel and dial bore indicator? You don't really even need the adjustable gears for the kelford cams. You will also need something to tune with before installing the aftermarket cams, as well as aftermarket springs to support the cams. It sounds like you are trying to put the adjustable gears on your stock cams for now. There are FAR better upgrades before throwing a set of adjustable cam gears on stock cams. Not to mention the fact that you will have to buy a 1g cam angle sensor and a 1g cas harness. I consider extra work for no advantage to be a bad idea any day of the week.

ed1380 · 07-09-2012, 03:35 PM

Biggest thing is that you'll need stronger springs for the kelford cams. Do you really want to take the head off or have a less streetable car? I would have recommended delta 264's or 272's Max.

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 03:39 PM

Head is already off. I have Manley springs for the cams

BogusSVO · 07-09-2012, 03:42 PM

Finley...., Just like Ed said, you need better springs, A beehive style, such as the Kiggley, Ferrea, or the GSC #5041.

DO NOT install Kelford 272 cams on stock springs, or manley singles, BC1100, or used EVO beehive springs. You will break parts if you do.

Also do not install the cams till you get link or some sort of tuning solution.

Leave the stock cams in till you have all of the supporting mods needed to install the cams and can tune them in.

bryanwheat · 07-09-2012, 03:43 PM

You do know that the car is going to run bad with the aftermarket cams on the stock tune right? You are going about this the wrong way. You need to be able to tune the car before buying any aftermarket bolt on parts. You would of been way better off to spend what you did on the cam gears, cams and springs on ecmlink instead.

BogusSVO · 07-09-2012, 03:54 PM

Have you even read about the Kelford 272 cams?

1-TX272 Camshaft Set

11 mm lift or .433

What is the part number of the Manley springs you have?

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bogussvo

have you even read about the kelford 272 cams?

1-tx272 camshaft set

11 mm lift or .433

what is the part number of the manley springs you have?

1-tx276hl

BogusSVO · 07-09-2012, 04:06 PM

Ohhhh even bigger cams...
1-TX276HL High Lift Camshaft Set

12.50mm and 12mm .492 and .472

Yet again I ask what is the Manley valve spring part number you want to use?

Go read this thread

Installing GSC S3 cams

Look at the math in post #9

And the cams you want to run have more lift still.

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bogussvo

ohhhh even bigger cams...
1-tx276hl high lift camshaft set

12.50mm and 12mm .492 and .472

yet again i ask what is the manley valve spring part number you want to use?

Go read this thread

Installing GSC S3 cams

look at the math in post #9

and the cams you want to run have more lift still.

26125

BogusSVO · 07-09-2012, 04:54 PM

4G63T Valve spring Info

Post #50 is your spring kit

Looks to be a straight single spring set up

Yes they will handle the lift of the Kelford 276/272 cams.

But due to the agressive ramps of the Kelfords, and the low seat pressure of the Manley springs #23125
You will hit valve float early in the RPM band.

Like I said before, You need to look at the Kiggley, Ferrea of the GSC #5041 kit.

The manley springs will work well with the HKS 272, BC272, Comp/FP2, and the Delta clones of them.

If you choose to still run this set up, please read theses threads about agressive cans and failed valve springs.
My Crower Valvesprings failed

BC spring broke in half and destroyed head!!

viperlp01 · 07-09-2012, 05:00 PM

AEM cam gears will work with a 7 bolt cas. There are bolt holes in the back of them to allow it to bolt up. Kelford cams with manley singles and titanium retainers have seen 8k rpms for my talon over and over again with no loggable issues.

Finley95gst · 07-09-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BogusSVO

4G63T Valve spring Info

Post #50 is your spring kit

Looks to be a straight single spring set up

Yes they will handle the lift of the Kelford 276/272 cams.

But due to the agressive ramps of the Kelfords, and the low seat pressure of the Manley springs #23125
You will hit valve float early in the RPM band.

Like I said before, You need to look at the Kiggley, Ferrea of the GSC #5041 kit.

The manley springs will work well with the HKS 272, BC272, Comp/FP2, and the Delta clones of them.

If you choose to still run this set up, please read theses threads about agressive cans and failed valve springs.
My Crower Valvesprings failed

BC spring broke in half and destroyed head!!

ok, was looking at this kit GSC #5041. better safe than sorry right? thanks for all your help!

TofastForU_99 · 07-09-2012, 05:27 PM

O god..

BogusSVO · 07-10-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by viperlp01

AEM cam gears will work with a 7 bolt cas. There are bolt holes in the back of them to allow it to bolt up. Kelford cams with manley singles and titanium retainers have seen 8k rpms for my talon over and over again with no loggable issues.

Viper.... What pair of Kelford cams tho?

I would like to see how your springs test out now.

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Originally Posted by TofastForU_99

O god..

What is that for?

dsmornothing · 07-10-2012, 09:02 AM

I can name a few people who run either kelfords or Delta K272 on manley singles with no issues at all.......

ed1380 · 07-10-2012, 09:08 AM

You can run delta 272's on stock springs. Kelford 272's- you're gonna break something. OP has kelford 276's. That's almost 4 digit hp territory and op is scared to change to a 1g cas or what to do with his cam gears. This isn't going to end well.

BogusSVO · 07-10-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dsmornothing

I can name a few people who run either kelfords or Delta K272 on manley singles with no issues at all.......

Thats good.

But I tend to over build, this way there is less chance of a failure or issue.

SpiderGST · 07-10-2012, 10:09 AM

Shit I have a set of fidanza cam gears I would trade for the AEM ones as long as there black lol.

viperlp01 · 07-10-2012, 02:38 PM

Ya it would be interesting to see how the springs test. I have had them in for a while. 3 years now but 2 years with kelfords(considering 1k miles a year and most is drag racing/driving to meets). Never had a valve float issue that showed power loss in a log. I revved to about 7800 at the track.