2G New brakes for the GSX (budget)

[PieEyedPiper]

My brakes are squealing, sticking and rubbing. It's past that time. My gear has already seized up on me once about 6 years ago and rather than deal with all that rusty old junk I figured I'm better off just replacing the parts altogether.

I've been able to locate the following from a combination of MachV, eBay and RockAuto:
-2x front calipers oem replacement semi-loaded
-2x rear calipers oem replacement semi-loaded
-2x oem front rotors ($49)
-ebc redstuff front pads

The problem is now I'm spending a fortune on this. These items total up to roughly $480 shipped.

I still need rear pads (cheap is probably ideal for this), rear rotors, lube and brake fluid. Could be another 100 bucks.

This could easily skyrocket upwards of $600.00 and I don't think it's a very good idea to just drop huge cash on plain old replacement parts. Any suggestions?

EDIT: This thread has ran it's course. Unfortunately there is no "free-way" out and there aren't any other unbeknown to us , affordable brake upgrades besides the Cobra upgrade or the Outlander setup. But there's really no downside to that they're both great reasonably priced options. Outlander setup is the way to go. The parts have all arrived I just need to put them on!

 

[Calan]

First, I would recommend checking out these guys: Brake Performance

They have excellent prices, customer service, and warranties from everything I've seen from them.

Second, if you can find some brackets and make them work, I have a set of newly rebuilt front 1G calipers that I can unload for cheap. I rebuilt/painted them, put about 150 miles on them, and then took the car down for more work...at which time I upgraded to dual-piston calipers. They also have almost brand new pads sitting in them. I'm not sure if they could be adapted to a 2G, but they're yours for cheap if you can.

Another alternative is to just rebuild your calipers, or if they are completely shot...find another set and rebuild those. It's not that difficult, and will cost you about $20 and an hour or two of time.

 

[10fold]

Those look like some pretty good prices, I'll probably order from them the next time I need brakes. I've seen dimpled rotors from brembo a few years back, but haven't seen them since. Do the dimples add any sort of advantage over drilled and slotted or just slotted?

 

[tmaxx411]

if your on a budget, id say skip the ss lines. I'd also reccomend napa adaptive one pads over any ebc pads. yes, they are napa, but its their top line, and stops amazing imo.

 

[Calan]

Do the dimples add any sort of advantage over drilled and slotted or just slotted?

It's all about faster heat dissipation and channeling brake pad debri away from the friction surface.

Fully drilled rotors have a history of cracking, but I don't think it's as much of an issue these days with the better alloys and technology. Dimpled rotors were created to address this issue, as they are less prone to cracking.

Most of the race cars you'll see run the slotted rotors. I went with dimpled and slotted (partially for looks ), and have had great results...although admittedly I don't regularly push my brakes to the limit.

if your on a budget, id say skip the ss lines.

I disagree, especially if you are going to be racing the car or pushing your brake system. SS lines add rigidity and help increase line pressure by not allowing the lines to expand. They are also more durable and will hold up better over time.

 

[m_0ney_pit]

you may want to consider getting the outlander brackets and 11.75" rotors with your new pads, made a nice upgrade imo. I went with the ebc green stuff pads

 

[PieEyedPiper]

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Thanks for the ideas, I'll keep that in mind. I'll check out that site, too.

you may want to consider getting the outlander brackets and 11.75" rotors with your new pads, made a nice upgrade imo. I went with the ebc green stuff pads

The Outlander setup is very appealing. It's too bad it's such a pain to get the brackets.

Also, any other comments on why not to go with ebc red stuff pads? I've done a fair bit of research and this is what I landed on. I'd certainly prefer them over any Hawk offerings. And splurging $88 on good pads doesn't seem to be too bad.

I hear ya, loud and clear, on the ss lines. It's funny, stock replacement gear is the same or more than the ss lines I selected and mine are 140k old so I was using that as an excuse, too. They are probably not in great shape but my current lines do not leak so I can likely keep them to keep cost down. That's $100 less to worry about.

I'll list the prices of the gear I've located already:
-2x front calipers oem replacement semi-loaded....$36ea. $72 total
-2x rear calipers oem replacement semi-loaded.....$41ea. $82 total
-2x oem front rotors.............................................$49set $49 total
-ebc redstuff front pads........................................$88pr. $88 total
-ss brake lines front and rear..................$99set. $99 total
-2x rear raybestos rotors.....................................$20ea. $40 total

330 for everything shipped, + 88 for the front pads and I still need rear pads.
I'd say things are improving, slowly.

 

[motozachl]

+1 for the napa pads and just rebuild your calipers rather than getting more. Also I got some techna fit ss lines recently for under $70

 

[PieEyedPiper]

+1 for the napa pads and just rebuild your calipers rather than getting more. Also I got some techna fit ss lines recently for under $70

I'm reluctant to rebuild them a second time. Care to share your source though for the lines?

The Outlander setup is very appealing. It's too bad it's such a pain to get the brackets.

Or are they..
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[Calan]

ExtremePSI for $79.

 

[tmaxx411]

looked up the napa pads for myself, just sharing what i found. its 65 for the fronts. i dont seem to be able to find the rears in the adaptive one though..
i wonder if its the same rear calipers as my avenger?

 

[knochgoon24]

If I was spending that kind of money on brakes, I'd look at upgrading the calipers and rotors. The stock stuff is tiny.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

If I was spending that kind of money on brakes, I'd look at upgrading the calipers and rotors. The stock stuff is tiny.

And that's what makes this so painful. Huge dollar for stock parts store replacement gear or just a tiny bit more for the real deal. The problem is money.

I think I'm going to work this Outlander angle a little bit more and maybe just do the front first and then take care of the rears.

 

[LxiMax]

I can vouch for the Adaptive One pads as well. I did the GSX brake swap on my Sebring and had drilled rotors with EBC Greenstuf pads. I switched to Brembo blanks and Adaptive One pads and the difference is night and day. There's almost no fade with these at all, even under some of the most heavy braking I do.

 

[spawn87]

what about the cobra swap its not to bad if you bet the parts from classifieds... and its a huge improvement. i know the link is for a 1g but it can be done on 2g also.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-suspension-brakes/341249-cobra-front-brakes-1g.html

i know you said you dont have the money but its definitely something worth upgrading if your going to spend any money on it.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

I looked into the Cobra setup, too but again it was becoming costly. Now, that having been said, I purchased Outlander brackets a few days ago. The junkyards failed me. I was unable to locate a single Outlander of any year within 500miles of my location. I didn't bother expanding it further but doubt I would have found anything.

 

[Brokstatus420aT]

Im not saying you should do this. BUT I have seen it done in a tight money situation. Use compressed air to blow the piston out of the calipers, clean them with a wire brush and WD40 an slap it all back together. Im not sure it if is possible with our brakes but just thought id throw an idea out there that no one has yet.

 

[spawn87]

im wondering about the outlander brakes this is the first ive herd of them.
is if just disk or entire set up? and is it a benefit?

 

[PieEyedPiper]

im wondering about the outlander brakes this is the first ive herd of them.
is if just disk or entire set up? and is it a benefit?

2005-06 Outlander brackets. -moves the caliper out 8.5mm
2005-06 Outlander Rotors -294mm dia. instead of 275mm dia.
Stock DSM 2-pot calipers.

 

[Below Ambient]

since your car is a 98 (im assuming of course) id just get a caliper rebuild kit, rebuild the calipers, drop the rotors off to have them turned, and then throw in some HAWK pads and you should be good to go... 2g brakes vs 1g brakes... its night and day!

 

[Ravenous]

I just did rotors and pads and the upgrade to two piston units for $280 dollars altogether(with shipping) including the rear rotors and pads. I went Brakemotive on ebay for rotors(slotted, drilled, and galvanized Powerstop brand) and pads and autopartswarehouse.com for the front calipers-semi loaded(with mounting bracket) and they had them in stock!

 

[josh408]

Where can I find Baer for all 4 brakes for my GSX? Or what would be best for a racing/ DD car?

 

[4g63tc]

2005-06 Outlander brackets. -moves the caliper out 8.5mm
2005-06 Outlander Rotors -294mm dia. instead of 275mm dia.
Stock DSM 2-pot calipers.

From the dealer.
OEM brackets $61.00 apiece (New)

New rotors $90.00 apiece (New)

And on a GSX, $300 for a brake upgrade. IMO best bang for buck.

You can source these from a Salvage yard, and probably save some cash.

T.C.

Suggestion though, Rebuild your calipers, and pick up some SS Braided Lines.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

This thread is getting pretty cluttered. And what's with everyone saying "rebuild them"? I thought it was clear that I rebuilt them once before and a second time is not being considered.

And I may not have made something else clear. I figured out what the plan was back in March!

2x Centric Premium 294mm rotors
2x Centric Premium 2-pot Calipers
2x Outlander Caliper Brackets
Pads are up in the air still.

Total: $275

Skipping the ss lines for now. Will revisit that when I'm doing the rear closer to summer time.

You can source these from a Salvage yard, and probably save some cash.

"Can" and "are likely to" are not interchangeably in this scenario. Very few have been so fortunate to find an 05-06 Outlander in a junkyard to begin with. I tried that angle for about a week before I just broke down and bought the brackets from Mitsu.

 

[LxiMax]

I do really recommend the Adaptive One pads. They grab SO much better then my EBC Greenstuff plus they have a lifetime warranty. And as long as the lines are ok then they're ok to skip for now. They do add a good pedal feel though.