maf delete

[2g63t]

ok ive seen a couple eclipse's with no maf now. it looks so much cleaner
ive also seen intake kits with the maf delete
whats with that?
the only way that i know of making your car run without a maf is running a stand alone system. am i wrong?

 

[1stgendon]

U probly right. Theres so much crap sensor wise on cars its damn reducles. Im not sure im gonna tweak mine tommorow. Hope it starts after i c what happen to the inside of the motor after it jumped time. I took a sensor like that off before car would'nt run.

 

[drewvr4]

MAF Translator

 

[1stgendon]

How much dose that usally cost?

 

[marcmsj]

The most common way of removing the stock maf is to replace it with a gm maf and the use of a translator. The gm maf is usually placed in a blow through set up which is placed inline with the upper intercooler pipe between the blow off valve and throttle body elbow.

 

[4G63_Attack]

I believe if you have something like the DSMlink or the EMS. You can pretty much play god in the roll of the MAS.

 

[dsmconvict]

I believe that you either need AEM EMS or HKS VPC in order to do this. I think the MAF-T pro has a setup for speed density also. All it really does is replace the maf with a map sensor and an IAT sensor

 

[pboglio]

ok ive seen a couple eclipse's with no maf now. it looks so much cleaner
ive also seen intake kits with the maf delete
whats with that?
the only way that i know of making your car run without a maf is running a stand alone system. am i wrong?

Think hard before doing it. HKS VPC here. It works pretty good at WOT if you have DSMlink. A few problems with part throttle leanness and idling in cold weather. Aside from that power is quite a bit better at higher rpms.

Despite the power increase, I switched back to a MAF cause I like a dead solid idle and the part throttle wonkiness was making the car slower in traffic unless I planted the throttle to the floor.

I guess it looks cleaner, and meaner with a big 9" long cone filter, but looks are not everything.

 

[snowborder714]

You do a few things to get rid of the stock MAS.

A VPC will work.
AEM EMS will work.
GM MAS/MAF-T will work.
MAF-T Pro will work.
DSMlink won't work (yet...)

How much dose that usally cost?

If you were referring to the MAF-T setup in blow thru, it'll run you about $200 for the translator, $30ish for the GM MAS (from your local junkyard) + modification to your uicp (or the cost of a new setup made for blow thru, which can get pricey).

 

[DontStartModdin]

So if I understand correctly, you want to get rid of the maf to make your engine bay cleaner?

 

[snowborder714]

So if I understand correctly, you want to get rid of the maf to make your engine bay cleaner?

That is one reason.

A lot of people install either the MAF-T setup or a speed density setup for looks or so they can vent their bov to the atmosphere. Very few people install it because they overrun to stock MAS.

 

[2g63t]

so if i understand correctly. if i leave the stock maf on ill have better throttle response. but not as much power at top end.
ive been thinking about going with dsmlink. still dont understand fully how it works. i heard somthing about it not working with the 2g ecu?
a friend is trying to talk me into getting megasquirt. what do you guys think?
im not going for big ph. im shooting for around 320-350?

 

[pboglio]

I like DSMLink. Stupid simple with a relatively good amount of options. Can upgrade to newer versions for like $50. V3 supposedly will have some kind of "MAFT" built in, all you supply is the GM MAF sensor.

You may or may not make more power with a MAF delete. Depends on if your completely maxxing out your current turbo and your boost is dropping off. If this isn't currently happening, you won't see a bit of difference in max power. Spoolup difference on smaller turbos is minimal or nothing. If you had a 1g I'd say its mandetory, but on a 2g I'm gonna say it isn't worth the driveability headaches.

 

[snowborder714]

so if i understand correctly. if i leave the stock maf on ill have better throttle response. but not as much power at top end.
ive been thinking about going with dsmlink. still dont understand fully how it works. i heard somthing about it not working with the 2g ecu?
a friend is trying to talk me into getting megasquirt. what do you guys think?
im not going for big ph. im shooting for around 320-350?

After looking at your profile and reading the above quote, you really have no reason to get rid of the stock MAF. You're only going to be shooting for 350ish which is still under where the stock MAF gets restrictive. You would need a lot more modifications to notice a difference in power between the stock MAF and a MAF-T setup. Honestly, the only reason right now I'd say go for it is if you REALLY can't stand to look at it. Otherwise, your money can be better spent elsewhere.

DSMlink is one heck of a program. It has a steeper learning curve than other programs, but once you learn it, you can do pretty much anything with it. It requires an EPROM ECU (which are only out of '95's). So you would have to get one, along with DSMlink and a laptop.

Go download and read through the user manual a few times to get a gist of what it can do. Follow this link and under Documentation click on Users Guide.
DSMLink - Downloads

Also check out the DSMlink wiki for more info about it.
start [ECMTuning - wiki]

 

[2g63t]

thanks for the info snowborder. as you can tell i am completely new to dsm's.
im probably going to go with the dsmlink. ill get to reading up now

 

[2g63t]

ok one more question. does the 95 emprom ecu have to be out of a turbo car? ive found a few 95 ecu's on ebay but they are out of non-turbo cars.

 

[kittay]

Speed density setup gets rid of a maf completely

 

[snowborder714]

ok one more question. does the 95 emprom ecu have to be out of a turbo car? ive found a few 95 ecu's on ebay but they are out of non-turbo cars.

Yep. I'm not sure what you're searching for but all I've found is turbo ECU's.

Just go to eBay Motors - Autos, Used Cars, Motorcycles, Boats, Trucks, Parts, Accessories, RVs and Other Vehicles and search for 'eprom ecu' and look for the 2g DSM ones.

Here's a few that are on there now:
eBay Motors: 2G DSM Talon Eclipse Eprom ECU computer (item 320211660397 end time Jan-29-08 14:02:08 PST)
eBay Motors: 2g 1995 EPROM Eclipse Talon DSM ECM ECU Computer 4g63 (item 250208177034 end time Jan-30-08 12:18:06 PST)
eBay Motors: 95 TALON ECLIPSE DSM 2G EPROM TURBO ECU COMPUTER (item 290201288787 end time Jan-31-08 12:07:27 PST)

I would also recommend looking in the classifieds or on www.dsmtrader.com.