DAMN, suggestions and a vent and

[Littlebeeper]

I just did the head on the car i just bought and i noticed the oil getting milky. i got pissed and was wondering what i did wrong. I remembered that i didn't change the damn filter so i kicked myself and changed the oilfilter BUT the damn thing wouldn't come off!!! you know where this is going right. I stabbed the thing with a screwdriver and man the thing must have had a ####ing gorilla tighten it. Finally got the filter off and put the new one in. well there was again water in the oil and oil all over the floor!!!! i found the old gasket didn't come off with the old filter. it was dark and i didn't check.......kicked myself again. man what a mess!!!!. I left it like that for tonight.

My conclusion (man i'm praying for this) is that the damn oil cooler is crushed. I haven't checked if i got oil in the water but i didn't put the radiator cap as i wanted the old coolant/oil flushed out. so it didn't pressurize. the car hasn't been on for much more than 2 minutes. I was filling the radiator with water and letting the water fush out to the floor out of the thermostat housing. Its either this or the turbo (supposed to be new) the head has a crack or hole in it somewhere (unlikely as it was fully done at the machine shop this last week) or the block is bad (rare but it idles fine and runs smooth with no noise.

Am i on the right track? i know i ain't a newbie but i need someone to tell me it'll be ok and the damn beast will be on the road soon.

 

[No_Skillz]

If you have oil in your coolant or coolant in your oil, this leads me to believe there is an issue with your work on your head, especially your head gasket. Did you do everything properly ad torque to spec?

 

[96gstdsm]

Yeah to me sounds most likely it would be the head gasket not sealing correctly. Was the block decked at all or left as it was? What type of head gasket is it? MLS? Composite?

 

[AKGEN1DSM]

I would definetly say check your headgasket but first check your oil cooler. This is why I like the 90s, Air to Air cooler . Anyways start with the cooler and all its gaskets and replace it if need be.

 

[BUCK]

IMO you are better off with NO Oil Cooler than the POS Water to Oil Cooler - You can cut Threads off the Oil Filter Bolt & DELETE that POS for a start.

 

[Littlebeeper]

well the damn oil cooler is good. i unplugged the water lines and blew in there and it held, no leaks. DAMN i have to go do this again. It probably is the damn head gasket. my fault i'm sure. this is the 5th head gasket i've done. When i set the head on the block it didn't sit flat. the 2 aligning studs would not go into the head at the same time. i had to tighten the damn head bolts on 1 side to get the head to slide down the little stud. I bet that has to be it. or the damn turbo but it ain't spitting anything on either side and it has no shaft play at all.

I also didn't shave the deck on the block. i just cleaned it up really nice. i don't use a metal, or Cometic gasket. its always worked before but it could be warped too i guess. I'll have to check it with a strait edge. if i have to taake that block out i'm building the ####er up . Thanks guys.....off to redo this and piss off the wife while i turn some wrenches

 

[tkelly27]

Less swearing, ###.

Have you done a compression test? Sometimes the coolant can get in the oil just by doing the HG if you don't drain it properly. If it doesn't have many miles on it, and your compression is good, then you should run it around for a while and the water will burn out of it or go away as you change the oil.

If you didn't set it on the dowels properly, you've likely screwed it up, but a compression check is in order. If this is your 5th HG job and you still haven't gotten it right, you might want to have a friend around for the next time

Good luck!

 

[Littlebeeper]

well i replaced the oil twice already. i did forget to do the oil filter the 1st time though. the oilpan doesn't fill up or anything it just seams to get enough water to turn the oil a lighter opaque tan color as opposed to the brown clear color. i see no sign of oil in the water.

This is my 5th head job, on my 3rd DSM. all the others turned out great. they all were holding a bit over 15Lbs with no problems. this is the 1st to give me hell.

Oh, and the head is on the dowels, it just would not allighn on them and drop flush without a bit of help from the headbolts. i could get the back to sit in the dowel but then the front one wouldn't drop in. if i slid the front one 1st then the rear would just sit on the rim of the hole . when i used the headbolts a little it then slid in and sat flush so i torqued it down.

I'm going to a compression check now. I had horrible compression before the head job. it was like 50-50-90-50 !!! it sounds great now. no missing, fires up and holds idle good. just water in the oil.

Thanks guys keep the suggestions comming.......................hopefully its miraculously fixed when i get home, but i think the damn head is comming off again

 

[boostenon114]

do a cylinder leak down test. Or if you have a coolent psi tester. psi up your coolent system and pull you spark plugs out. Let it sit for a few mins and crank you motor over and see if ya got coolent blowing out. Or you can buy die that you can pump you coolent into and see if there is cumbustion gasses in your cooling system

 

[No_Skillz]

Looks like you knew the answer before coming in, you just didn't want it to be the truth so you didn't have to pull the head again.

 

[Littlebeeper]

well, i unplugged the oil cooler, and the turbo. 1/2 the oil was spilled when the old oil filter gasket stayed on the housing so i refilled it with oil. Well, good news!! its not mixing anymore!!!. i let it idle for a bit and the water seems to be burning off. i can't tell that there is water in the oil through the dip stick anymore. its starting to clear up. only thing is that the turbo is throwing fluid (has to be oil as the water line is unplugged) through the header/turbo seal and the o2 mating area. the header seal ain't that bad but the o2 housing has this fluid starting to coat the o2 housing and down pipe. the weird thing is that there is NO smoke comming out the tail pipe. i have a 3" HKS exhaust with no cat.

So now tomorrow i'm checking the compressors for oil. I hope its ok. i'd rather it just be the oil cooler, i'm doing a compression check, i'm leaving the oilcooler off for now (oil-air cooler here i come) and i'm putting in the 14B if 16G is dead. I'll post up tomorrow.

 

[Littlebeeper]

ok guy, did the compression. it was done cold #3 and#4 cylinders were 150 but the battery was low and dtopped turning the motor over when i did #3. still wasn't a bad reading so i left it alone. with a good battery i did #1 and #2 they were 160. so as follows:
160-160-150-150

I plugged my turbo back in and the oil is still clearing up. NO MORE MIXING!!!!

I'm off to the classified and ebay for an oil-cooler now guess the gorilla that tightened it crushed the crap out of it.

Thanks for the suggestions guys

 

[jamisonj24]

Keep in mind that to change the cooler over to a 90 style you need to pull the timing belt to get the filter housing off. I know a few people who bought coolers then ended up not putting them on because they went to do it then discovered the had to remove t-belt and did'nt want to go through that. Another option is to get an oil filter relocation kit and run the line through a cooler then on the filtered side of the oil.

 

[TSG59_Steve]

IMO you are better off with NO Oil Cooler than the POS Water to Oil Cooler - You can cut Threads off the Oil Filter Bolt & DELETE that POS for a start.

How do you figure? it's like this:

||||[====||||(

Key:
|||| ~ Threads
[ ~ Nut
==== ~ unthreaded
( ~ Oil filter housing

You'd have to rethread the unthreaded part.

 

[Littlebeeper]

i need to pull the timing belt off anyway. found a nasty oil leak from the front of the motor. its more than likely one of the cam seal. I noticed one had a section that looked like it cracked. I completely forgot about it till i went for a cruise and saw smoke and oil dropping on the floor. i thought it was the oil cooler but i have oil over the cooler on the timing belt and inside the timing cover. stupid me. least it isn't anything expensive. I have no ac belt and no power steering pump and small hands so it should not take me long to so.

She sounded mean on the road though. with the HKS Carbon TI and the 16G whistling through the Greedy type s at boost............................man, makes it all worth it!!!!