Doing 6 bolt block swap and 3 grand for performance parts. Hows this list look?

[96gstdsm]

OK well I decided to just go ahead and treat myself and buy everything now and get it all installed. I already have bought a rebuilt 6 bolt short block with 1g rods and 2g pistons, balance shafts removed and all new parts and machined. I have now an extra 3 grand total to spend on parts etc. Well since I am not able to have a long downtime with this car since it is my daily driver I am going to be paying $1000 to get everything installed.
This is what I am thinking of buying:

Evo316g turbo---525
walbro 190 fuel pump--95
650 cc injectors---265
ebay install kit?(how are they?)---75
dsm link(do dyno tuning shops have laptops around to tune with my dsmlink?) --500
dks cams--350
springs and retainers--250
head gasket--80

Total: $3140

That brings me around the $3000 range. Maybe a few bucks over. Might wait on the head stuff, but I'll see. Can I use the dks 264/272 combo without getting springs and retainers?

Anything obvious that is missing from this list? I am going to start ordering very shortly, so any suggestions would be helpful!

I would get it professionally dyno tuned after to make sure everything is running how it should, and also get rid of that problematic misfire code.

Oh and also ARP head bolts almost forgot that one.
Should I go with new engine mount inserts? I have heard that helps with wheel hop?

I am also about a month after the engine install going to get my tranny rebuilt and put in an lsd insert to help out a little with traction. So that will be another $900 for rebuild and the lsd.

I am planning to get this all done at dogbox racing in howell nj. Guy seems real nice and very helpfull. Seems to be pretty fair with the price also.


edit: for got about a 6 bolt flywheel as well. Fadanza flywheel--178

 

[mhuffman]

most of the time you end up spending a little extra on odds and ends that are overlooked. I'm not familiar with DSM's, but how much do the cam's really help? Most of the time you just feel higher duration/lift cams in the upper mid range and top end. Without the cams you dont have to do valvesprings either.

 

[96gstdsm]

most of the time you end up spending a little extra on odds and ends that are overlooked. I'm not familiar with DSM's, but how much do the cam's really help? Most of the time you just feel higher duration/lift cams in the upper mid range and top end. Without the cams you don't have to do valvesprings either.

Well I also kinda wanted to be able to rev it up a little bit higher. Maybe to like 8000 or so. I have heard that cams should add some pretty nice power for the money as well.

Should I do some work with my 2g head? I dont want to port it or anything but, what should i do for security measures? I am going to resurface it. Should I get new valves? Probably lifters I think would be good right? The 6 bolt ones have the lifter tick problem also?

 

[Cs4g63]

Cams will help you make power in the mid to upper RPM range, and they are definately worth doing. Yes you will lose a little power in the bottom end but not anything significant. Depending on how big the cams are that you go with will determine if you do or you dont have to upgrade the springs and retainers.

 

[96gstdsm]

Cams will help you make power in the mid to upper RPM range, and they are definately worth doing. Yes you will lose a little power in the bottom end but not anything significant. Depending on how big the cams are that you go with will determine if you do or you dont have to upgrade the springs and retainers.

Whats the best set for a daily driver with the evo316g turbo. I'm looking for around 300whp. Never going to the track or anything. I definitely like torque!! But I am also looking to rev it up a little bit higher on occasion on the highway or something, so some more top end is always good, but usually my used power would be in the medium rpm range.

Edit; I was thinking of going with a 264/ 272 setup. How would a 272/272 combo setup run? What would be the advantages or disadvantages of both?

 

[mhuffman]

Whats the best set for a daily driver with the evo316g turbo. I'm looking for around 300whp. Never going to the track or anything. I definitely like torque!! But I am also looking to rev it up a little bit higher on occasion on the highway or something, so some more top end is always good, but usually my used power would be in the medium rpm range.

Edit; I was thinking of going with a 264/ 272 setup. How would a 272/272 combo setup run? What would be the advantages or disadvantages of both?

Isn't it possible to make 300whp with the stock cams? If you like torque, the cam's aren't going to help low end torque, they'll help with mid to high rpm horsepower. On a naturally aspirated car, you try to run bigger cams to get higher volumetric efficiency and better breathing. For forced induction, most factory cars have small cams because you dont need a real big lift or duration to get high volumetric efficient or flow alot of air. I thought most DSM's rev to 7500rpm's anyways... you really want the extra 500rpm? The stresses on the valvetrain and bottom end increase greatly as your revs increase.

Insted of cams, i'd focus on getting the block and head machined flat if they're not already and putting everything together well so it's reliable and doesnt leak, upgrading the clutch if u havent already, doing motor mount inserts to transfer that power to the ground better. I did my motor mounts custom filled with urethane, very nice improvement. Save the money and get that LSD! Are you putting in a new timing belt, water pump, balance shaft belt, checking the tensioner and pulleys? Putting alot of money into the engine, you'll want to make sure its reliable and ready to make big power.

 

[mhuffman]

Of course my opinions are based on the fact that my car is old and i dont like to invest alot of money into it because it can easily get stolen or run into and totalled, making it a pointless investment. I try to keep my mods to a minimum, make them work together, and balance the car's handling, braking, and acceleration. I spend more time focusing on things like maintenance and superior driveablility than crazy power. I also invested money in good tires because FWD's need all the grip they can get!! The tires are your #1 performance upgrade.

 

[96gstdsm]

Isn't it possible to make 300whp with the stock cams? If you like torque, the cam's aren't going to help low end torque, they'll help with mid to high rpm horsepower. On a naturally aspirated car, you try to run bigger cams to get higher volumetric efficiency and better breathing. For forced induction, most factory cars have small cams because you dont need a real big lift or duration to get high volumetric efficient or flow alot of air. I thought most DSM's rev to 7500rpm's anyways... you really want the extra 500rpm? The stresses on the valvetrain and bottom end increase greatly as your revs increase.

Insted of cams, i'd focus on getting the block and head machined flat if they're not already and putting everything together well so it's reliable and doesnt leak, upgrading the clutch if u havent already, doing motor mount inserts to transfer that power to the ground better. I did my motor mounts custom filled with urethane, very nice improvement. Save the money and get that LSD! Are you putting in a new timing belt, water pump, balance shaft belt, checking the tensioner and pulleys? Putting alot of money into the engine, you'll want to make sure its reliable and ready to make big power.

I am getting a 100% rebuilt 6 bolt block. Comes with warranty and everything new. New water pump, oil pump, timing belt, machined, bored, balance shafts removed, 2g pistons, 1g rods, i have an ACT 2100 clutch already, I will be getting motor mounts, also as stated before i am going to be getting an lsd insert,
I am putting like 5 grand total into my car right now. The engine is already purchased and coming in two weeks, I am not putting either 3 grand or 4 grand into other power mods. If I only am doing 3 then I am going to live the head alone for now.
As for putting stress on the valvetrain that is why i was saying I would like to get new valvesprings an retainers. I have been researching and everyone says the 264/272 combo is awesome and very noticeable gains with the evo316g turbo.

One question regarding dsmlink if anyone knows. Since I am doing a 6 bolt swap, I am assuming I still will get the 2g version of dsmlink? Cause I just realized I also have to buy an eprom ecu and have it socketed by them before I can install dsmlink.

I do like torque a lot, but highway pulls are a lot of fun, and I would love to be able to downshift to like 5k rpm's and still really take off with that new turbo!

 

[xdsmlaser93x]

i see your going with a walbro 190 why not a 255? your gona have to feed those big ass injectors somehow also how about an AFPR?

 

[96gstdsm]

i see your going with a walbro 190 why not a 255? your gona have to feed those big ass injectors somehow also how about an AFPR?

A rewired 190 should be good for up to 400whp. I am not planning on having nearly that much power. Just looking for a max of around 300whp. 650cc injectors and a 190 should be fine with a rewire kit. Wont need an afpr either that way from my understandings.

 

[wangboy925]

If you really like highway runs, go with the 272/272. But i would upgrade the valvetrain first to get that extra security and a peace of mind. I idle may be kinda ruff but your ears will ajust to the 272/272s.

 

[DJYoshaBYD]

DSM link is tite, but ECU+ is cheaper and will essentially do everything you want to do.. And on top of that, you dont have to send your ECU away to some foreign place to have it chipped and then shipped back.... ECU+ is a piggyback that has MASSIVE tunability... check it out... this would take care of the tuning for your car perfectly and cheap

http://www.ecuplus.com

 

[96gstdsm]

DSM link is tite, but ECU+ is cheaper and will essentially do everything you want to do.. And on top of that, you dont have to send your ECU away to some foreign place to have it chipped and then shipped back.... ECU+ is a piggyback that has MASSIVE tunability... check it out... this would take care of the tuning for your car perfectly and cheap

http://www.ecuplus.com

Yeah thanks I already decided on going with ecu+ Definitely seems great for thr price, and for the features. Seems everything that was once a problem or a feature it was lacking it now has. Not needing an eprom ecu is what really got my attention first!

 

[DiamondStarAwd]

If your buying dsmlink, buy your own laptop.

You don't want to have to run somewhere anytime your car is running funny or throws a cel or you want to load a different tune.

 

[96gstdsm]

If your buying dsmlink, buy your own laptop.

You don't want to have to run somewhere anytime your car is running funny or throws a cel or you want to load a different tune.

I'm getting ecu+ I am just going to buy a palm pilot as you can tune with that as well. Not as nice, but for 35 bucks a pretty decent palm isn't bad. Will be nice and compact for logging and monitoring knock as well. Can just install it in my car permanently now.

 

[dsm-onster]

High ramp rate cam profiles will restore any foreseeable loss in torque down low, for the most part.

Stock cams are great for the evoIII16g and are fine for 300whp.

How far do you want to take this car AFTER you reach this goal... You may want DSMLink after all. Buy once. If you plan on going beyond the limits of ECU+ (ECU+ goes quite far!), then you probably want to have already bought DSMLink. You can use a palm pilot w/ dsmlink as well.

Get the walbro 255HP. 190lph is the max flow for low psi boost. Yes that will flow enough fuel for 400whp. BUT, as boost goes up the flow capacity of elctric fuel pumps goes down.

Many report overrunning stock fp regulators w/ a rewired 190. Almost all report it w/ a 255. So sticking w/ the stock fpr if you're rewiring a 190 is no excuse to get a 190. You'll probably have to get an adjustable fpr anyway. And if you ever do decide to take it to the next level, you won't have to drop your fuel and replace/purchase another pump. Arn't they all the same price?

 

[96gstdsm]

High ramp rate cam profiles will restore any foreseeable loss in torque down low, for the most part.

Stock cams are great for the evoIII16g and are fine for 300whp.

How far do you want to take this car AFTER you reach this goal... You may want DSMLink after all. Buy once. If you plan on going beyond the limits of ECU+ (ECU+ goes quite far!), then you probably want to have already bought DSMLink. You can use a palm pilot w/ dsmlink as well.

Get the walbro 255HP. 190lph is the max flow for low psi boost. Yes that will flow enough fuel for 400whp. BUT, as boost goes up the flow capacity of elctric fuel pumps goes down.

Many report overrunning stock fp regulators w/ a rewired 190. Almost all report it w/ a 255. So sticking w/ the stock fpr if you're rewiring a 190 is no excuse to get a 190. You'll probably have to get an adjustable fpr anyway. And if you ever do decide to take it to the next level, you won't have to drop your fuel and replace/purchase another pump. Arn't they all the same price?

Yeah I guess you are right. I had been debating a while to go with the 190 or 255. I just didn't want to spend more money on a afpr. I don't think I will want to go for more power really over 300whp, but I'm sure once I've had that for a while I could possibly change my mind.
I think for now due to money I am going to stay with my stock head at the moment. I would to eventually go with new valve springs and retainers and 264/272 combo cams. Would also like to get new valve stem seals to prevent any smoking or leaking as well. But for now i think my head is fine. Other than needing a new valve cover gasket. I have had no over heating problems, no smoking etc. Just some oil coming out from the valve cover gasket area.
As for ecu+ I think I am set on getting that one. I do not plan to over run that system ever with this car. This is strictly my daily driver so it will never become a 600 hp beast. Looking for reliability here!!

So many parts to buy gets confusing. I am buying everything in a day or two so a lot going through my mind part list wise! Looks like I have right now 3 grand total for install and parts. I probably would have another 500 in a week or so to put into it, so that could enable me to get a few more things done at the same time.

 

[MyÜberFastGSX]

The rule of life:

Twice as much, twice as long.

I went into a 6 bolt swap, and had everything planned out, and calculated to right around $3000.

I'm currently somewhere in the $6000 range, and a few months behind where my well made plans put me.

So, don't expect to spend anywhere near what you planned.

 

[dsm-onster]

I would to eventually go with new valve springs and retainers and 264/272 combo cams.

Just to save you some money here. 264 and 272 cam profiles do not have the lift or the ramp rate to necessitate aftermarket spring upgrades or lightened retainers. As well, not much power can begained from revving beyon the factory rev limit in the 264/272 combination unless you tool around w/ the cam timing w/ a set of cam gears (another expense). So, 264/172 cams are great for an otherwise stock head.

MyÜberFastGSX,

It's very true. There seams to be a singularity in the engine bay of my DSM . Before I even get performance parts from the ups box to the front clip, something breaks.

Going over budget is all too easy. . . . Sometimes necessary if your goal is more important than your cash at a particular level. Its like a bucket w/ holes. That's why a good upgrade is first restoring your car to its original performance and running a good mantainance comb over it. All to plug those holes first and determine how much money you truely have to play.

 

[96gstdsm]

Ok well just got a bunch of my parts in the mail today. Have to say it felt better than any Christmas I have ever experienced! I still have my engine being sent out this week, and I have a 6 bolt oil pan, black top CAS, 1g timing belt cover, and ECU+ tuning software coming this week.
Anything other than this that I am missing?

Here are some pics of the stuff I got in the mail:
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I originally wanted the evo3 16g turbo, but it was sold out from the vendor I bought everything from, and the amount of power either turbo is going to produce is more than I am going to need. Those are 650 fic injectors and a 190 walbro fuel pump and a mitsu mls headgasket and 6 bolt arp head studs.