Forget turbo! Thread for nitrous ideas. :)

[unlinkedeclipse]

I'm going to be running my systems through an upgraded engine. (Pistons, cams, rings, blah blah.) I'm running two independent systems.

One will run as a basic push-and-dump nitrous system. Basic bolt-on and install crap. Nice to have when a chump rolls up next to you, yeah?

My other one. It's going to be regulated by a NX Maximizer, to work partially as a turbo would. Spooling small amounts into the engine at times, ending the spooling with a large spray. It's all programmable too, so it should turn out pretty amazing.

Anyone else have any interesting setups?

 

[Boost Freak 3]

you'll have more fun with a turbo system trust me

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

It's a possibility. But I hear too many scattered things about running NA to turbo. I don't hold a grasp on it well enough to make a good setup for my car without blowing it up. I may turbo it in the future just for the extra fun and oomph, but for now it's easier and less taxing to run nitrous.

 

[20psi_GST]

A good nitrous setup is never complete with a nice big ALL MOTOR sticker on the back glass. Good luck, hope it works for you.

 

[Boost Freak 3]

your going to have to build the engine either way. Plus you have a better chance of blowing the car up with nos then with a turbo. also you can get the boost every where and any where unlike nos. Plus i feel its safer.

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

Thanks for the praise 20psi. I hope it all works too.

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

Please say nitrous... Unless refering to the brand nos... It reminds me of fast and the furious...

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

Well, thats what the pressure controller is for. It's so unless I plan on dumping the nitrous into the engine a la' Fast and the Furious status.... I can control how much sprays for how long at what compression during what RPM range for each gear. essentially it is a turbo.

and I agree with 1g tsi... please no saying nos .

 

[nightspeed87]

stil not exactly a turbo... Especially when the bottle runs out...

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

Haha, yeah that is true. I've already thought about that. It may not be exactly a turbo, but it will replicate the effect, possibly with more power gains than an actual turbo.

As for running out, the spray would be minor enough where the bottle would typically last longer than normal, plus I plan on having the solenoid draw from three seperate bottles to make sure I dont run out.

As I said it's a plan in work. Until I know enough to run boost in my car.

 

[nightspeed87]

well good luck

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

Thanks nightshade.

 

[20psi_GST]

Just curious, what kind of power are u planning on making. What kind of HP are u expecting when your ALL MOTOR (to the crank please). Also what kind of HP are you hoping on a small shot of the nitrous (to the crank also) and what kind of HP are you hoping for at wide open throttle. Also what size shot in each stage?

 

[funkbuster]

Good luck man. It should be fine, so long as you match the nitrous with fuel. I am running nitrous on my 86 rx7 with 138,000 miles. I have been thru 3 10lb bottles while just running a 50hp shot. It is awesome, just make sure you dont have an itchy trigger finger if you get a purge, it gets costly.

 

[twack]

Feeding from three bottles damn your a moving bomb

 

[unlinkedeclipse]

I know that worries me a little. If it's all set up right, there isn't much to worry about,
though riding on enough nitrous to take out a small building is a bit unnerving.

P.S. It'll be FOUR bottles total. Three just feed the slow purging "nitrous-turbo".

Edit: didn't see the other posts;;

As far as the power I hope to make, I havent researched it enough but I want gains of 50-100 from the "turbo-nitrous" system, and 75, if I dump the press-and-dump tank.

And for the slow purge, it will all be run from the computer. It'll engage, *preferably at WOD* only when armed, and say it'll spray the equivalent of a say 35 shot from 3700-4500 rpms then tops it with a burst of about 60 shot. then I shift and repeat the process.

 

[Ultimatedsm]

Sounds awesome, just do it and tell us your review after. Than go to a local track and tell us what kind of times you do. Get that car dyno tuned and see how much horsepower and torque it puts to the ground.

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

I would have your whole car reenforced with 1 inch steel for when your engine gooes boom into 1000000000000 pieces...

Kidding.


goodluck and keep us updated

 

[1997turbodsm]

You can spray nitrous all you want and it seems like a good idea. it seems to be slightly cheaper to put nitrous on the car vs a turbo. The only thing i'm thinking is that NITROUS DOESN'T GO PFFFFFTT!!!! between shifts.

 

[drewvr4]

i agree it would be quite interesting to see...but there are alot of things you have to do for it to work..

have the bottles warm so pressure is right, keep it filled, tune it so it doesnt blow your motor...

nitrous can be really really cool when it works right...shoot us a vid or somthing when your done

 

[DSM90AWD]

You can spray nitrous all you want and it seems like a good idea. it seems to be slightly cheaper to put nitrous on the car vs a turbo

Maybe initially, but N2O runs out fast and furiuosly and then have to run to get it refilled at $3.50 or so a lb. My buddy can get 7 passes on a 100HP hit with his 10lb bottle (without an itchy purge finger).

Also remember each bottle filled is ~26#s, so with (4) bottles, that's > 100lbs over the rear (non-driven) wheels.

Another thing to think about is that you have 60HP disadvantage stock vs a 4G63T. If you are spending all the money to rebuild the engine for big hits of N20, the extra bottles, electronics to control it and the fuel systeme upgrades to prevent it from going boom, then you may want to consider other options like an engine swap or turboing your existing engine as with a turbo which have a bigger up side, especially for a traction impaired FWD

Not to dissuade you, just giving you a different angle to help you decide

 

[drewvr4]

^^^ best reply ive seen in a while

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

Maybe initially, but N2O runs out fast and furiuosly and then have to run to get it refilled at $3.50 or so a lb. My buddy can get 7 passes on a 100HP hit with his 10lb bottle (without an itchy purge finger).

Also remember each bottle filled is ~26#s, so with (4) bottles, that's > 100lbs over the rear (non-driven) wheels.

Another thing to think about is that you have 60HP disadvantage stock vs a 4G63T. If you are spending all the money to rebuild the engine for big hits of N20, the extra bottles, electronics to control it and the fuel systeme upgrades to prevent it from going boom, then you may want to consider other options like an engine swap or turboing your existing engine as with a turbo which have a bigger up side, especially for a traction impaired FWD

Not to dissuade you, just giving you a different angle to help you decide

Yea, I agree man, look into other options. N2O is kinda overrated, in the short term it may be cheaper, but in the long term it adds up to expensiveee.

 

[PRESSURIZED]

Just do it right the first time, and be happy/better off in the end.

 

[dr1665]

I think the guy who said "Three bottles" meant to say that he's filled his one bottle three times, not that he has three bottles in the hatch like some kind of FATF wannabe.

I say you look at this as a step towards the turbo, really. You're going to have to rebuild the motor, anyway, either way. Since you're 4G63-powered, I'd advise picking up custom forged pistons in a nice, 9.5:1 or higher, but not too high. Nitrous takes well to higher compression, as it reduces the temperature of the charge. You don't want to go too high, though, or you will find yourself knocking when you're not on the bottle. The key, here, is to bring CR up above the stock level in the turbo motor so you will get more bang from each squeeze of the trigger, but not so high that you pigeon-hole yourself into this set up and can never, realisitcally, turbocharge your car.

A rebuild of any 4 banger, 4G63T, 4G63, 420A, is going to come out to nearly the same price, so you're not spending any money you otherwise wouldn't be were you to go all out turbo. Depending on how deep you decide to get in the nitrous game, you could spend as much as a decent turob set up in the end, but you'll likely spend less. You'll just not get as much for your money, as nitrous bottles do not runneth over.

I'd suggest starting out with the basic system and playing around with it on your stock motor. Keep it small while you learn what you're doing and plan on picking up a spare engine to rebuild while you're working your way up in the nitrous department. Once the donor motor is ready, do the swap, break it in, and start documenting your results/progress for others in the future. There isn't a whole lot of nitrous information in this turbo-biased community.

And finally, remember that you can always use nitrous and turbo....