1ST LOG How does it look?

[93_GEE_ES_EX]

1/25/00-11:20:54 - GFMS

							
Time	RPM	Knock	Timing	O2	Inj P/W	ISC	Inj D/C
00:00.1	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	62	8.07
00:00.3	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	62	8.07
00:00.4	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	62	8.07
00:00.5	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:00.7	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:00.8	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:01.0	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:01.1	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:01.2	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:01.4	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:01.5	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:01.6	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:01.8	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:01.9	3750	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8
00:02.0	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:02.2	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:02.3	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8.07
00:02.5	3750	0	38	0.9	2.56	63	8
00:02.6	3781	0	38	0.9	2.82	63	8.89
00:02.7	3781	0	38	0.92	2.56	63	8.07
00:02.9	3750	0	38	0.9	2.82	63	8.81
00:03.0	3750	0	38	0.9	2.82	63	8.81
00:03.2	3781	0	38	0.92	2.82	63	8.89
00:03.3	3781	0	38	0.9	2.56	65	8.07
00:03.4	3781	0	34	0.92	5.38	78	16.95
00:03.6	3781	0	26	0.9	6.41	92	20.2
00:03.7	3813	0	26	0.92	6.92	100	21.99
00:03.8	3844	0	25	0.92	7.69	100	24.63
00:04.0	3906	0	23	0.92	8.46	100	27.54
00:04.1	3906	0	22	0.92	8.97	100	29.2
00:04.3	3969	0	20	0.94	10	100	33.08
00:04.4	4000	0	18	0.92	11.03	100	36.77
00:04.5	4063	0	18	0.92	11.79	100	39.92
00:04.6	4094	0	18	0.92	13.08	100	44.62
00:04.8	4125	0	18	0.92	14.61	100	50.22
00:04.8	4156	0	18	0.92	15.13	100	52.4
00:04.9	4219	0	18	0.92	15.13	100	53.19
00:05.0	4313	0	18	0.9	15.38	100	55.28
00:05.1	4344	0	18	0.9	15.38	100	55.68
00:05.2	4344	0	18	0.9	15.64	100	56.62
00:05.3	4406	0	18	0.88	15.64	100	57.42
00:05.4	4531	0	18	0.88	15.64	100	59.05
00:05.5	4531	5	16	0.88	15.64	100	59.05
00:05.6	4625	5	16	0.88	15.9	100	61.28
00:05.7	4688	4	16	0.86	15.9	100	62.12
00:05.8	4750	4	17	0.86	15.9	100	62.94
00:05.9	4813	4	17	0.86	15.9	100	63.77
00:05.9	4938	4	17	0.86	15.9	100	65.43
00:06.0	5063	4	17	0.86	15.9	100	67.08
00:06.2	5156	4	17	0.86	15.9	100	68.32
00:06.3	5188	10	16	0.86	15.9	100	68.74
00:06.3	5250	15	16	0.86	15.9	100	69.56
00:06.4	5281	15	16	0.84	15.9	100	69.97
00:06.6	5438	15	16	0.84	15.9	100	72.05
00:06.7	5438	15	16	0.84	15.9	100	72.05
00:06.8	5531	15	16	0.84	15.9	100	73.29
00:06.9	5656	14	15	0.84	15.9	100	74.94
00:07.0	5688	21	15	0.84	15.9	100	75.37
00:07.1	5813	21	15	0.84	15.9	100	77.02
00:07.2	5906	23	16	0.84	15.9	100	78.25
00:07.3	5938	23	16	0.82	15.9	100	78.68
00:07.4	6031	22	15	0.82	15.9	100	79.91
00:07.5	6063	22	15	0.82	15.9	100	80.33
00:07.6	6156	22	15	0.82	15.9	100	81.57
00:07.8	6250	22	14	0.82	15.9	100	82.81
00:07.9	6375	22	13	0.8	15.9	100	84.47
00:08.0	6406	22	14	0.82	15.9	100	84.88
00:08.1	6500	21	12	0.8	15.9	100	86.13
00:08.2	6563	21	12	0.8	15.9	100	86.96
00:08.3	6625	21	12	0.8	15.9	98	87.78
00:08.4	6656	21	11	0.82	4.87	92	27.01
00:08.6	6313	21	32	0.59	2.31	83	12.15
00:08.7	5750	8	42	0.59	1.79	76	8.58
00:08.8	5281	0	45	0.61	1.54	67	6.78
00:09.0	4781	0	44	0.57	1.54	58	6.14
00:09.1	4313	0	43	0.47	1.28	50	4.6
00:09.3	3906	0	41	0.31	1.54	41	5.01
00:09.4	3563	0	40	0.53	1.54	34	4.57
00:09.5	3281	0	39	0.69	1.54	33	4.21
00:09.7	3031	0	39	0.82	1.54	33	3.89
00:09.8	2781	0	38	0.84	1.54	33	3.57
00:09.9	2594	0	38	0.86	1.54	33	3.33
00:10.0	2406	0	38	0.88	1.54	33	3.09
00:10.1	2188	0	37	0.86	1.79	41	3.26
00:10.3	2125	0	37	0.9	2.05	43	3.63
00:10.4	2125	0	36	0.92	1.79	36	3.17
00:10.5	2063	0	37	0.92	1.79	33	3.08
00:10.6	2031	0	37	0.92	1.79	33	3.03
00:10.7	2000	0	36	0.92	1.79	33	2.98
00:10.9	1938	0	35	0.92	1.79	34	2.89
00:11.0	1906	0	34	0.9	1.79	41	2.84
00:11.1	1875	0	33	0.9	1.79	41	2.8
00:11.2	1906	0	33	0.88	2.05	36	3.26
00:11.3	1938	0	34	0.9	1.79	33	2.89
00:11.5	1938	0	34	0.92	1.79	33	2.89
00:11.6	1906	0	34	0.92	1.79	33	2.84
00:11.7	1875	0	34	0.92	1.79	33	2.8
00:11.8	1875	0	33	0.92	1.79	33	2.8
00:11.9	1844	0	32	0.9	1.79	33	2.75
00:12.0	1813	0	32	0.9	1.79	31	2.7
00:12.2	1781	0	31	0.9	1.79	34	2.66
00:12.3	1750	0	30	0.9	1.79	34	2.61
00:12.4	1750	0	30	0.88	1.79	33	2.61
00:12.5	1750	0	30	0.88	1.79	31	2.61
00:12.6	1750	0	30	0.88	1.79	31	2.61
00:12.7	1719	0	29	0.9	1.79	31	2.56
00:12.9	1688	0	28	0.9	1.79	31	2.52
00:13.0	1656	0	28	0.9	1.79	31	2.47

 

[eclpsgsx97]

You're getting way too much knock up top, particularly 5k to redline. Tuning by narrowband readings isn't really accepted these days, but from the knock and the voltages (steady decline in that range) it looks like it's leaning out. Whatever you're tuning with, give it more fuel in those ranges. If you don't have a tuning device, lower your boost.

 

[CanadianTSi]

Add fuel from 4500 on up.

 

[93_GEE_ES_EX]

My mods are as followed.2.3 stroker with 60 trim
wideband innovate,safc,780cc injectors,fmic,255 pump,20 psi pump.

 

[kraka]

Oh, you again!! Ha, I answered your question on TALK...Looks like you came back to Tuners to give them a hard time also

The problem I see is that it looks like you need to add much more fuel, but you told me that you are already seeing wideband readings of 11.1 A/F which seems more on the rich side than the lean side...

It still seems like you need to add more fuel, but without DSMLINK I am warning you that your tuning ability with this big of a setup will be lacking...

Careful if you add more fuel, you are close to being too rich based on the wideband

 

[madman]

Well the knock indicates he's lean and the o2 indicates he's lean....... if his wideband say he's rich, maybe the wideband is bad?

I would say add fuel.

 

[eclpsgsx97]

Bottom line is the knock count is way too high, and adding fuel won't hurt the motor while trying to lean out (due to high wideband AFRs) can be dangerous. If you don't have a chip to compensate for injectors, then I see why you're getting a high knock count. With 780cc injectors, you've probably leaned out the SAFC so much that you're on a timing curve way too aggresive for the amount of airflow a 60 trim is pushing at 20 psi.

I would rather be running rich and slow with no knock than risk my motor with that knock count.

 

[kraka]

Bottom line is the knock count is way too high, and adding fuel won't hurt the motor while trying to lean out (due to high wideband AFRs) can be dangerous. If you don't have a chip to compensate for injectors, then I see why you're getting a high knock count. With 780cc injectors, you've probably leaned out the SAFC so much that you're on a timing curve way too aggresive for the amount of airflow a 60 trim is pushing at 20 psi.

I would rather be running rich and slow with no knock than risk my motor with that knock count.

He's informed me there is an EPROM Chip for the injectors....Wideband wise, the fact he is telling me the AFR is 11:1 really confuses me...Seems like the most reasonable solution would be to try logging wideband if you can, if not, have a friend watch wideband while you watch road, and he can record the AFR at the given RPM's...

For now, you just gotta work with what you got...Add fuel where timing stops to drop and knock comes on...We'll go from there

 

[eclpsgsx97]

I agree with kraka. An RPM based curve of wideband AFRs would be of use. But for now tune conservatively, as everyone has said, and add fuel. I believe kraka meant to add fuel were timing starts to drop.

 

[93_GEE_ES_EX]

Oh, you again!! Ha, I answered your question on TALK...Looks like you came back to Tuners to give them a hard time also

The more help the better.

I checked my base timing and the mark is below the 10 mark.

I'm going to put my base timing at 5 degrees and do another test run and see how that goes.

I thought good timing whould be 20* at WOT?

The Wideband is Brand new Innovate LM-1.

 

[kraka]

You should be able to log with the LM-1...Once you do, post it up or just let us know what you find out...11:1 doesn't seem to fit in with the Logging data you provided...

Eclpsgsx97...Thanks, ya, I meant when timing *starts* to drop

 

[spyderturbo007]

Can you post up your Ne points, TPS trigger points and Hi throttle correction values.

Have you done a leak check?

Is your chip burned for 780's?

Also, please update your profile, it makes it much easier for us to help you.