President declares swine flu a national emergency

[mindset]

President declares swine flu a national emergency - Yahoo! News

Interesting!

 

[Ludachris]

Saw that this morning. It's beginning to look a little scary folks.

My daughter woke up vomiting this morning and my wife isn't feeling good either. Let's hope it's just something they ate... vomiting seems to happen in limited cases of H1N1, but it's still a concern.

 

[97fwdtsitalon]

For no reason other than to give obama dictorial power and to push socialized health care. I would much rather come down with H1N1 than the regular flu since only 2k die per year becase of H1N1 vs. 40k for the most common flu.
I hope people wake up to whats going on in this country soon or it will be gone before we know it.

 

[Spoolin18]

This stuff is pretty lethal, a healthy 28 year old died after eight days with it in my state. It seems the fatality rate is about 1.6 % for the usa. 67,ooo+ cases and 1093 deaths. People needs to wise up, use precautions and get educated. I agree with the above poster though.

 

[spoonman]

Still have not got it and declined on my employers free vaccination.

 

[Kickerbeast]

Still have not got it and declined on my employers free vaccination.

Same here. From what I've read, the reason that healthy people are dying is because their immune system is going into overdrive and attacking their own body. They say that the mortality rate is higher for the H1N1, but I have yet to see anything backing that up. I have only seen the opposite. If it is this devastating, then why don't we see things like "H1N1 has killed 200 more people today" on the news. Instead you see things like "one more person killed today" and how it should be a wakeup call because ONE person died. I want to see hard facts before I get worried about it, and they will never release those.

 

[97fwdtsitalon]

Very good choice. Do some research on what happened to people vacinated in the 70's for the original swine flu.

 

[Ludachris]

For no reason other than to give obama dictorial power and to push socialized health care. I would much rather come down with H1N1 than the regular flu since only 2k die per year becase of H1N1 vs. 40k for the most common flu.
I hope people wake up to whats going on in this country soon or it will be gone before we know it.

Let's avoid the politics please. Anyone who thinks this is all just a conspiracy, that's fine. But please respect the site rules and don't start turning this into a political thread.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

It seems the fatality rate is about 1.6 % for the usa. 67,ooo+ cases and 5900 deaths.

This space was going to be used for a political comment... If you would like to hear it, PM me.

 

[Spoolin18]

I would like to know what the real stats are, how long they waited for treatment..etc.. Alot of things play an effect on it...how compotent was the doctors/hospitals..pre existing health conditions.

 

[mindset]

This space was going to be used for a political comment... If you would like to hear it, PM me.

I'd like to hear it.

I declined my school's free vaccination. I was in Summit Racing today and there was a sign that pretty much said, "If you are coughing or sneezing and fail to cover your mouth you will be asked to wear a mask." It was crazy... like I was afraid to touch anything...

 

[Ludachris]

My wife was talking with a friend who had to deliver 2 care packages to two of her close friends in the span of two weeks - both were pregnant and had lost their babies due to H1N1, and both were less than one month from giving birth. For those who think this is all a conspiracy theory, that's great. I'm sure if my wife weren't pregnant and I didn't have a 2 year old, I'd be less concerned. But some of us have been exposed to the real world results and it doesn't seem like your average flu.

 

[skye]

I had a real nasty flu going on last week.. had to miss 3 days of work since I could NOT get out of bed. I never went to the doctor but I did get better on Sunday evening. Started on Tuesday...... dry hacking cough, 102.3 fever, never did vomit though, lots of body ache, all better now except I still have the cough.

 

[crimsondragon]

I came down with some flu last Thursday. It might be the swine flu. Or SARS. I am coughing a lot. Oh no.

 

[GofaST4life]

Oh he's still in office?

Anyway, I'm still not nearly convinced that it is nearly as bad as the media is portraying.

-charlie

Not to pick a fight, but women are losing their babies...thats pretty f***ing serious to me.

You may not have had a personal encounter with it yet, one of my fraternity brothers got it, and was in the hospital for 3 days because his fever wouldnt go down. Kinda scary when your .3 degrees away from a coma for 3 days.

Its serious, just make sure you wash your hands, and use mouth wash regularly guys. Even the smallest things can help fight it.

 

[Ludachris]

I came down with some flu last Thursday. It might be the swine flu. Or SARS. I am coughing a lot. Oh no.

The attitudes in here are priceless. I don't want to be the father receiving care packages because my pregnant wife has a complication within the 12 week window of the upcoming birth due to H1N1, which seems to be the highest risk right now.

Maybe some of you should think a little before you speak and show a little consideration for those who are among the highest risk groups even though you might not be. Just because you haven't met anyone who has had it or has a horror story about it doesn't mean it isn't a big deal. People are dying. Maybe not as many as you might think is necessary to cause concern, but does it really matter the number in the end? It only takes one death to make it real for you, doesn't it? Is that the type of convincing you'd need? Maybe the media is blowing it out of proportion like they do with everything these days, but to dismiss it completely and not do research would be pretty stupid.

WTF

 

[Ludachris]

Guys, we could care less what people think about the newly elected President, or the last one for that matter. Get over it already. Let's leave the damned politics out of this discussion. If you want to talk politics, go somewhere else. This thread is about the H1N1 flu virus. If you want to post facts about it, do so. If you want to post opinions, that's fine too. But if all you want to do is find something else to blame on a politician you have something against, it will be removed and people will be reminded about the rules in here.

 

[Ludachris]

My wife and I got our H1N1 vaccination over the weekend and my 2 year old daughter will be getting hers this week. If we get some bad side effects, I'll let you know. Maybe we made a mistake, who knows. We just weren't willing to risk our unborn daughter's life after finding data that suggests pregnant women are at a higher risk with this strain than others.

Some dismiss it as propaganda and scare tactics. But the data is there and my wife did PLENTY of research on it. In my opinion, it's better to be safe than sorry. If I were single and/or wasn't a father of a young child (or children) I might have just taken my chances and probably would have been more skeptical. When you have so much to lose though, you tend to make decisions for the safety and well being of your family.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

Chris, it doesn't matter to me whether you decided to vax your family or not. That's your decision. But, please hear me out.

You've got to know that your body has what's called an immune system. It does a great job of fighting off disease and virus's all by itself. This immune system gets better and better with age. This is why your unborn child and pregnant wife are at the most risk. Their immune systems are 1) nonexistant 2) protecting 2 bodies. Although, there are ways you can boost your immune system naturally, by way of herbal supplements and natural vitamins without a vax.

Then again, it is actually ok to let your body get sick. Getting sick strengthens your defences for the next time you get ill and allows your immune system to grow as you get older. Believe it or not, it's also a good thing to get a fever once and a while. A fever heats up the body to a temperature able to kill off any unwanted bacteria and virus's. You'll notice after you have had a fever you feel exceptionally well. This is because your body has fought off everything attacking it. Now, don't go reaching for the medicine cabinet as soon as you get a fever. Some people will give their kids and their own body's a dose of fever reducers before the fever gets even to 100*. Using fever reducers and antibiotics keeps your body from reaching a temperature at which the bacteria and virus's will die. Keeping you from getting better. Instead, keep a watchful eye on the exact temperature you're running then if it gets out of hand use a fever reducer. This is because, your body has an internal regulator that will keep the fever from getting excessively high when fighting off bacteria (105-106). It has to reach 108* where a fever starts to become damaging.

I understand where you are coming from when you say that there are too many risks NOT to get vaxed. But the stance I'm coming from is that there are too many risks involved with actually GETTING vaxed.

Do you know what is in the shot you just got? The H1N1 Vax was rushed so fast into production that there was a "limited" supply of the active agent in the vax (the inactivated H1N1 virus) that they had to add fillers and preservatives to keep the limited amount of the virus in the vax around in your body long enough for it to be "effective". These fillers are called "adjuvants" and are said to be Thimerosal and Squalene. Thimerosol is a mercury containing preservative that has been implicated to cause autism in children and has been PROVEN to be a nuerotoxin!! Squalene, while it's a naturally ocurring substance in the human body may be ok if drank, being directly injected into the bloodstream has some doctors conserned that it may produce antibodies that will produce autoimmune dieseases in some people which will cause death.

This is all for a vax that has not been proven to work, was rushed into production, may kill you, and if it doesn't kill you may produce serious side effects, especially in your children.

To you I ask:

Why take the chance? When your body already has a system in place for fighting this in which has no side effects and will potentially leave you feeling better than you did before you got sick.

Also, I wanted to add this. I have never gotten a flu shot in my life. I have had the normal vax that are required to attend school and what not. But, I rarely get sick. If I do it seems to be just a mild cold and I get over it within a few days. The sickest I've ever been was Christmas of '04 I came down with pneumonia. I seriously didn't even know I had it till I went to the ER on Christmas Eve. They told me I was at 107* and that my right lung was full of fluids. I took some prescribed pain reliever and went to bed for 4 days. BTW, even to my worst of enemies I wish that pain on NO ONE. But, my immune system kicked it's ass and I haven't been sick since.

Now, I have a co-worker that has several children. She was telling me about how she needed to go and have them get vaxed for the flu season. I asked her why, and she had only one thing to say. "Well, my youngest gets sick every year so, I have her get a flu shot to keep her healthy." I wanted to slap her on the head and say, "Isn't that telling you something?" If you never let your immune system fight off the virus's it comes across. It will never learn how to and when she becomes old enough to make her own decisions about getting a flu shot and decides not to, her immune system is going to freak out and shut down any time it sees an infection.

Then again I do not have the amount of responsibilities that you do, I only have a wife and a dog as well as myself to take care of. None of which will be vaxed for flu. Well, unless of course my wife decides on her own to get it done. Then that's her deal.

This opinion is all based off of information I've read as well as my lifetime immunization history and overall good health. I see your point and respect your decision.

I don't believe I added politics into it, so we should be good...



Oh man am I ever gonna get flamed for this one..... Bring it...

 

[Ludachris]

Chris, it doesn't matter to me whether you decided to vax your family or not. That's your decision. But, please hear me out.

You've got to know that your body has what's called an immune system. It does a great job of fighting off disease and virus's all by itself. This immune system gets better and better with age. This is why your unborn child and pregnant wife are at the most risk. Their immune systems are 1) nonexistant 2) protecting 2 bodies. Although there are ways you can boost your immune system naturally, by way of herbal supplements and natural vitamins without a vax.

It's also ok to get sick. Getting sick allows your body to prepare itself for the next hurdle. It's also a good thing to get a fever once and a while. A fever heats up the body in order to kill off any unwanted bacteria and virus's. You'll notice after you have had a fever you feel exceptionally well. This is because your body has fought off everything attacking it. Now, don't go reaching for the medicine cabinet as soon as you get a fever. Keep a watchful eye on the exact temperature you're running. Your body has an internal regulator that will keep the fever from getting excessively high when fighting off bacteria (105-106). It takes till about 108* where a fever starts to become damaging.

I understand where you are coming from when you say that there are too many risks NOT to get vaxed. But the stance I'm coming from is that there are too many risks involved with actually GETTING vaxed.

My reply to this would be - if my wife and unborn child are are risk, how can I not get the vaccine? If they are at the highest risk, it makes no sense for her to get the vaccine and me not to. If I get the virus before she builds up immunity, she becomes exposed to it. Again, I'm all for naturally building up immunity and I've only recently started getting flu shots (when I became a dad). But I don't feel I'm in a normal situation and I'm not liking the way some are talking down and making fun of those who feel the need to get the vaccine.

Do you know what is in the shot you just got? The H1N1 Vax was rushed so fast into production

And yet, I've also read that this statement is opinionated and inaccurate.

This is all for a vax that has not been proven to work, was rushed into production, may kill you, and if it doesn't kill you may produce serious side effects, especially in your children.
To you I ask:

Why take the chance? When your body already has a system in place for fighting this in which has no side effects and will potentially leave you feeling better than you did before you got sick.

Some of this statement has been challenged by those who handle the production (highlighted in red). And in the end, you have to weigh the risks. Is it worth it to everyone? No. Is the risk of the vaccine worth it to some? Yes. Most every doctor we've talked to, and we've talked to a lot of them, recommended getting the vaccine.

To you I ask:

If you had 95% of the doctors you talked with recommending it for your wife and unborn child, and all the research you've done led you to believe it was the best option for you (not necessarily everyone), would you still ignore it all and decide against it? I couldn't do that and still feel good about myself and my responsibility as a father and a husband. I understand some people don't have the same responsibilities as I do, or simply don't care. But understand that everyone's situation is different. Though you may respect my decision, I see some statements here that are not respectful. And that's what's so disappointing.

 

[kottyking]

I had it, I'm 24 years old and I'm a smoker (which isn't the best for your immune system). It lasted about a week and I was 100 percent in 2 weeks. Everybody is different but I was impressed the way my immune system overcame it. The worst part was the high fever/insane chills for like 3 days. Other then that it's fatigue. The human body truly is amazing the way it fights off things. The reason for such a high fever, is your body fighting off the sickness.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

My reply to this would be - if my wife and unborn child are are risk, how can I not get the vaccine? If they are at the highest risk, it makes no sense for her to get the vaccine and me not to. If I get the virus before she builds up immunity, she becomes exposed to it. Again, I'm all for naturally building up immunity and I've only recently started getting flu shots (when I became a dad). But I don't feel I'm in a normal situation and I'm not liking the way some are talking down and making fun of those who feel the need to get the vaccine.

There are +'s and -'s to each side of this.

My side is, what if she comes in contact with the virus just being out and about at the grocery store before she builds up immunity to it and you had nothing to do with her contracting it?

And yet, I've also read that this statement is opinionated and inaccurate.
Some of this statement has been challenged by those who handle the production (highlighted in red). And in the end, you have to weigh the risks. Is it worth it to everyone? No. Is the risk of the vaccine worth it to some? Yes. Most every doctor we've talked to, and we've talked to a lot of them, recommended getting the vaccine.

You are correct. It is very opinionated... And of course the makers of the product are going to defend its background.

Here's some quotes from the FDA's website from "Experts":

"This H1N1 vaccine is made just like all the flu vaccines we have been making for 60 years, which have an extraordinary record for safety"

Remember in the 70's when the swine flu came around the first time? Lots of people were recommended to get vaccinated. And the media scared a lot of people into doing so. Once millions did, several thousand became temporarily paralyzed and had other neuromuscular complications.

"The only difference between this one and the seasonal flu shots is the virus it is made from, so we have no reason to believe this one will be any less safe."

Basically, "We haven't tested this thouroughly, but we assume it's ok..."

To you I ask:

If you had 95% of the doctors you talked with recommending it for your wife and unborn child, and all the research you've done led you to believe it was the best option for you (not necessarily everyone), would you still ignore it all and decide against it? I couldn't do that and still feel good about myself and my responsibility as a father and a husband. I understand some people don't have the same responsibilities as I do, or simply don't care. But understand that everyone's situation is different. Though you may respect my decision, I see some statements here that are not respectful. And that's what's so disappointing.

If you think about it, doctors are employed by the insurance companies which are owned by the pharmacutical companies. They are paid based on how often you are in their office... If you don't get sick. Do you go to the doctor? I don't. They are also paid to recommend certain drugs to you as well as vaccines.

I don't know if this is true, but I've read that up to 60% of MD's don't even get vaccinated themselves. And they said if they weren't required to reccomend them, they wouldn't. Private practice MD's are the way to go. They're the ones that are looking out for your best interest.

Before going ahead with the jab, I would ask them the following questions:

1. Based on your experience, what are the chances of getting infected with the virus.

2. If we do not get vaxed, what are your recommendations to prevent and help fight of virus's naturally?

3. Are there any all natural, preservative free alternative vaccines we can get to avoid the possible side effects? (generally the multi-use vials contain the preservatives to fight off the growth of microbes in the vaccine itself, single use vaccines generally do not need these.)

Then, I would leave the decision up to my wife, since she would ultimately be the immediate care giver of the child.

If she did not, at that point, want the vaccination. I would expect her to avoid going out in public as much as possible. (I'm not going to put her in a bubble or anything.) And boost her immune system with vitamins A-E, ginseng, and echinacea.

It's a tough decision.



Edit... Thought about some more stuff...

I'm still on the fence about if vaccinations become mandated whether I'll go through with it myself. Or whether I'll buck the system and get arrested... Possibly unwillingly quarantined. I would like to give my body a chance to fight of the virus by itself if it has to.

I think my views would be different if the results were, "Such and such virus is going around and there is a 99% chance you will die if you do not get vaxed. The vaccine has a 100% effective rate and has been tested throughoughly using a double blind study. So, come get and get vaccinated!" And if they actually had some statistical data. I'd probably jump in line, possibly kill someone to get in line.

Rather, the current situation is, "We have no data, but "experts" think 20% of the population will get H1N1, out of that population, 1-5% will die. The other 95-99% will recover from the virus with little or no medical attention needed. Trust us, we've been doing this for 60 years. So, come get vaccinated."

Not too convincing for me... And I have had someone close suffer the H1N1. She is my pastor's daughter, 13. She's like a cousin to me. If she died it would be like losing family. She was out for two weeks, it turned into pneumonia. And I know how pneumonia is. It sucks balls. But, she made it through and is doing great!! No vax was available yet when she got it...

 

[JusMX141]

I'll tell you what- I declared my chest from my throat to my stomach and everything in between a National Emergency for two weeks here not long ago.

I'm glad it's gone, and that I can't get it again unless it morphs into something else. The pros were that I didn't have ANY congestion or stomach issues, but the cons were that my body hurt and my esophagus burnt so bad that I couldn't drink anything but water for 10 of the 14 days. The result was that I lost about 15lbs.

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

I'll tell you what- I declared my chest from my throat to my stomach and everything in between a National Emergency for two weeks here not long ago.

I'm glad it's gone, and that I can't get it again unless it morphs into something else. The pros were that I didn't have ANY congestion or stomach issues, but the cons were that my body hurt and my esophagus burnt so bad that I couldn't drink anything but water for 10 of the 14 days. The result was that I lost about 15lbs.

Yea when I had pneumonia I lost 25lbs and didn't eat anything for 8 days. Except for drinking some gatorade to replenish my fluids. It took me about a month to get back to 100% strengthwise.

Chris, I really do think you made the right decision based on your circumstances. I hope for the best.

As for me... My nose is starting to run and my throat is starting to get scratchy. We'll see where this leads... Serves me right... No? I just checked I have 108 hours of sick time and 24 hours of PTO left for the year. So, if this gets serious, I'm covered for a couple weeks...

 

[Ludachris]

My side is, what if she comes in contact with the virus just being out and about at the grocery store before she builds up immunity to it and you had nothing to do with her contracting it?

That's possible, but we can only control so much on our end. Me getting vaccinated is one of those things. So it's more about doing what you can to prevent it, and getting a vaccination is one of those things - it just seems more responsible for me as a parent.

Before going ahead with the jab, I would ask them the following questions:

1. Based on your experience, what are the chances of getting infected with the virus.

2. If we do not get vaxed, what are your recommendations to prevent and help fight of virus's naturally?

3. Are there any all natural, preservative free alternative vaccines we can get to avoid the possible side effects? (generally the multi-use vials contain the preservatives to fight off the growth of microbes in the vaccine itself, single use vaccines generally do not need these.)

Then, I would leave the decision up to my wife, since she would ultimately be the immediate care giver of the child.

If she did not, at that point, want the vaccination. I would expect her to avoid going out in public as much as possible. (I'm not going to put her in a bubble or anything.) And boost her immune system with vitamins A-E, ginseng, and echinacea.

It's a tough decision.

I believe my wife asked every doctor she talked to if they were getting the vaccination, and most of them said yes. Could they have been lying? Sure. But at what point do you just trust a professional and stop buying into conspiracy theories? Believe me, we're doing as much as we can without being totally paranoid in order to be responsible about this.

It is a personal decision. My mother-in-law's boyfriend thinks we're crazy. But my wife has made it clear that he won't be able to see our newborn daughter for a few months since he's chosen not to get vaccinated. If the hospitals are taking this precaution after delivery, it makes sense to us. He may not like it, but hey, he has a choice right?