Protouring car for V8 turbo engine project.. Anyone else have 2nd non DSM project

[MNGSX]

I was thinking about an Rx7 to V8 swap but I saw these... Since I'm keeping my I might as well go bowtie across the board on the other car...

Look at the rear tire...

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Wow this color like the but with the other cars tires...

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http://www.pro-touring.com/cars_main.htm

Pro touring is the combination of suspensions that handle, big brakes, overdrive transmissions, modern sound systems, intermitent wipers and the like to muscle cars...

Looks like fun..

I have a slowly on going LS1 engine build 6.0 iron truck block, 4.8 liter crank, 6.0 truck exhaust manifolds, All-pro cylinder head (sold 2 sets 6.0 truck heads)... I need rods, wisecos, comp cam and solid roller lifters and a bunch of other stuff.... I'll take my time and wait for the deals...

The all pros have thicker decks and more material around head bolts. The LS1 has head lifting problems with boost so the allpro heads + oversize diameter ARP studs are said to be the ticket and cost less than AFR's. Big power rigs get throttle bodies bolted to a aftermarket carb intake manifold drilled for MPFI...

The truck manis get mounted on the wrong sides of the engine to hang GT40's on each upfront on the engine. A 329 cu/in LS1 TT...

Watch some of the newer f-bods and GTO's... Rear mount turbos are getting popular with hp in the 5xx-6xx range... There are a few big single non-retarded (up front) mounted turbos around... BIG power and fewer Big twins...

The single rear mounts are more comon because they install easy... Lucky for us most those guys dont run much boost because they are too cheap to do a bottom end on their engine...

 

[Omega]

I have an 89 Firebird Formula that I will be working on. The front half is stripped awaiting me to find the time and money to turbo and swap in a T56. I have picked up parts and then sold a lot of them. At one point I had a turbo, manifold, DFI 6.0 and a few other goodies. I am still torn between twins or single. I have some body parts to pick up, the style I want was only offered for 2 years and 80% of them have a GFX package I hate. I know how you feel, I am in no rush... more time than $

I actually bought the Talon to learn the ins and outs of forced induction. That kinda changed and have now sunk money into it instead of the Formula.

I like the classic car with new school upgrades. Have fun with it!

 

[badbu68]

Sounds good! I've got a 68 chevelle with a little 11:1 385/2004R/12 bolt 4.11 posi in it. I like my chevelle lumpy, and with solid motor mounts and a 305 adv duration cam, it is.

I've got the bottom end of a 454 built now, waiting to afford heads/intake and t56.

 

[Omega]

I have always liked the 427. Money aside, 1 piston the size of allmost half my engine oscillating at over 7K is a wild concept. It makes a some torque too.

Not knockin the BB by anymeans. I have toyed with the idea of stuffing one in the Formy

 

[badbu68]

Yeah, 427s are very cool, internally balanced and meant to take some rpms. Course, you want to run one with a stick, and when you do that, parts start flyin off.

 

[MNGSX]

327 (really 329) will have better off boost MPG and a nice wide powerband..

I dont think you realize how much power you can make with a forged Ls1 and the right size turbos....

Turbos= original displacement on demand....

There is a single digit Twin turbo 349 LS1... Its the first LS1 based engine to break 200 mph in the 1/4.

That is a full race car.. I want to build a car that I could road trip in...

 

[badbu68]

Oh I understand exactly how much power you can make with a turbo ls1. I'm just a fan of a big ole nasty cam. I also got my motor for less than 1500 with brand new parts (and my old 327 traded in).

What I would do though if I was going to run a turbo without the big price tag of ls1 parts is a 400 block, 327 crank giving me 348cid, then run some big cc runner afr heads, sheet metal intake or a modified lt1 intake, block huggers upside down or customs turbo manifolds, then dual a2w ics, one where the battery currently is, the other on the other side, same place. Very sneaky that way.

 

[housegsx]

Seeing this makes me ! I have wanted a '69 Camaro Z/28 RS since I turned 16. And I've wanted to make a pro-touring car out of it before I ever heard of such a term. I still want to build one with the new 7.0L Z06 motor and a T56 of ZF. I want to get either the full global west suspension or a C4/C5 front end and I know Wayne Due builds the subframes for those.

The '69 Camaro in particular is the best looking car ever built. IMO. I figured the cost of the car and parts, building it myself would cost around 50 g's, so needless to say I can't do it right now, but when I do, I'll do it right. Damn Mark Steilow to hell for getting everyone interested in building these and making the '69 Camaro more unaffordable than ever! I swear I could have picked up a mint one for 15g 5-7 years ago, but now that gets you a rusty body, half missing, abused car.

 

[JRichter]

Interesting story thats kind of related at Autoweek about this car.

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http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103003

 

[MNGSX]

Seeing this makes me ! I have wanted a '69 Camaro Z/28 RS since I turned 16. And I've wanted to make a pro-touring car out of it before I ever heard of such a term. I still want to build one with the new 7.0L Z06 motor and a T56 of ZF. I want to get either the full global west suspension or a C4/C5 front end and I know Wayne Due builds the subframes for those.

The '69 Camaro in particular is the best looking car ever built. IMO. I figured the cost of the car and parts, building it myself would cost around 50 g's, so needless to say I can't do it right now, but when I do, I'll do it right. Damn Mark Steilow to hell for getting everyone interested in building these and making the '69 Camaro more unaffordable than ever! I swear I could have picked up a mint one for 15g 5-7 years ago, but now that gets you a rusty body, half missing, abused car.

this one is for sale... Magnacharged LS1 well was for sale now sold for 60K...

http://users.ev1.net/~ynot_dv8/69Camaro/Website/Code/ExtremeG.html

But building is 1/2 the battle and fun

My motor would shred a T56 or ZF.... I will need the allmighty 200R4 like on a grand national but built up. Lock up stall converter, pump with more vanes etc.......

A real new 1st generation shell... For a non collector car when you dont care about matching #'s is perfect.

http://superchevy.com/technical/paint_body/bodies_panels/0506sc_cars/

I have seen some cheaper cars that I could make work...

For example... Get a glass tilt front, glass trunk lid, glass door skins?, spot weld some new rockers and rear 1/4 + patch the pan skillfully... I know a guy with a soda blaster so blast away. Weld it yourself tube chasis kit...

More work less money.... Light too.. The rear will get 345 rubber and a fab9 located by a three link and the front a full tubular a arm kit and a real rack and pinion..

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badbu68 I am talking about a ls1/ls2 based engine using the 3.27 inch stroke crank from the 4.8 truck engine and the 4.0 inch bore 6.0 truck block... The LS1 engine line has surpassed the famed LT5 quad cam even at the same displacement... The tall skinny cathedral intake ports work as does the changed valve angles vs a Gen I small block... Stock LS1 heads flow like crazy compared to many racing SBC Gen I heads...


I'd love to use a LS2 aluminum block but i need to be reali$tic and can shave the weight difference off the chasis using fiberglass...

Its going to be like a 2yr project at min...

 

[housegsx]

Yeah, I saw that one a couple weeks ago. It's a nice looking build. I don't really care to drag race too often, so I'd have to get a 6 speed. They build them to handle power. I know most T56 aren't that strong. I'd probably have to get one from a viper. The ZF is probably stronger, but you'd have to find a different bell housing for it to fit the LS1. I think Lakewood might make one.

I've also seen a couple vids on the net of guys running TT C4 Vette's with 6 speeds that are putting out over 1000hp. Have you seen any of these? They're nuts. So I'm sure I could find something to handle 600hp or so. The Pro-touring site has a lot of nice cars on it. Someday mine will be there...someday.

 

[MNGSX]

Get a regular T56 and build it up with the G-force kit...

http://www.g-forcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-56.asp

Better gears and shafts plus TRIPPLE CONE synchro thru 4th.

Kind of the shep trans of T56...

 

[housegsx]

Get a regular T56 and build it up with the G-force kit...

http://www.g-forcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-56.asp

Better gears and shafts plus TRIPPLE CONE synchro thru 4th.

Kind of the shep trans of T56...

Whoa! That's nice. Shows how long it's been since I've looked. $5,600! I guess I need to get a promotion first. !

 

[badbu68]

I know exactly what you're doing, I was planning on doing a lq4 427 buildup as my chevelle will be a 69 yenko clone (in a 68 body) and I too wanted to pursue the pro touring scene. However, I stopped at the build price of 22,000 for an assembledy long block.

I'd recommend http://www.ptsnctb.com/ for the 2004R, but it was my understanding that rpms is what really killed these trannys.

 

[MNGSX]

Whoa! That's nice. Shows how long it's been since I've looked. $5,600! I guess I need to get a promotion first. !

No get the upgrade kit and put it in your own T56.. Alot cheaper and its easy to assemble... $2,195

Kit installation ]

The basic kit, which sells for $2,195, includes first, second and third mainshaft gears, input shaft with input drive gear (fourth gear) and a complete cluster shaft with gears. Three ratio packages are available, along with G-Force overdrive gears and mainshafts, which are optional. The overdrive gears sell for $740 and there are two mainshafts, one made from 9310 Alloy steel ($475) and a second formed from 440-300M Thru Hard Premium Alloy ($690). As I mentioned earlier, a T56 with the full treatment, can handle up to 900 hp. "One of the biggest features of our T56 is the triple-cone synchronizers that make the transmissions shift really well," explained Long. The three-cone synchros act almost like a dual-disc or triple-disc clutch in that they provide lots of surface area for the synchros to grab on to. This allows the speed gear to be slowed rapidly and that allows the driver to make gear changes quick and smooth and at higher rpm. Currently, only a syncronized version is available, but with a rating of 900 hp, how much more do you need?

http://www.ptsnctb.com/[/url] for the 2004R, but it was my understanding that rpms is what really killed these trannys

I recomend myself...
I have done a few autos..

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/transmission/200rebld.html

there are some mike kurtz parts I want over and above what he did but its a great guide...

I'm farming as little out as possible to save money.. My trans build, my engine build, my chasis build, my body prep, my buddys paint job & booth... ETC.... It will cost more time than money.... Keeps ya out of the bars...